UK 2015 Q1 Employment Stats

sangie595

Mersey wrote: »

Ok, to reiterate: these facts are not disputed by any of the 10 political parties represented in the Commons. Just yourself (and presumably Left Unity or some other extremists).


The source is the figures themselves. Provided for in answers in Hansard - agreed by the Labour Party. Indeed, it forms part of their Truth and Reconciliation debate as to why they lost the General Election. Presumably due to reps such as yourselves, who in the fact of FACT, put their fingers in their ears and refuse to believe it. Typical of extremists - ignore facts, depend on lies and prejudice.


PS - I notice you edited my post to ignore all the quoted FACTS. Typical of the right wing extremist. Lie through your teeth and then ignore the truth.



I agree with you re spurious self-employment; but, I was referring to employees.

I am not able to post links yet - but I have quoted word for word the actual report which has nothing at all to do with Hansard and everything to do with the May report from ONS and the Labour Market survey. Your facts are wrong - your timescale is wrong. And therefore you call me an extremist when it is relatively clear that the extremist here is the person who refuses to source their "facts" and is on the other end of the spectrum. The "facts" may not be disputed by 10 political parties (which gives me no comfort - politicians lie!) but your interpretation and representation of the "facts" is WRONG. Since you refuse to prove what you say then I can only assume that you are deliberately lying as opposed to being mistaken. Mistaken goes and checks if they made a mistake. And you did make a mistake. The fact that you refuse to admit that shows that facts are not your interest - bigotry is.

I still can't post links but I invite everyone to go to the UK Labour Market Statistics, May 2015 release, section 3 Employment by nationality and country of birth, not seasonally adjusted. And see who is actually telling the truth here.

Mersey_2

I have no idea what further proof you require - I don't know the name of the civil servant who provided the figure or the clerk who typed up Hansard! In any case, you've already said you refuse to believe the facts.


I'll let it go this once - as you're new to MSE - but any future abuse (such as 'bigot') will be reported.


I have not interpreted anything: merely stated the bare figures, as I suspected some would not be aware. In fact, the above has been pretty much constant since 2010, so it is not a one off quarter either. Actually, in one quarter in 2010 almost 80% of new jobs went to immigrants.


I do not wish to debate the rights and wrongs of immigration (or the semantics of giving v taking a job); but, it certainly does not surprise me that some simply refuse to believe facts because it does not accord with their world view.


You can explain the figures, give reasons why and argue it's good or bad for the UK; but, you can't stop the world because you want to get off or deny facts because you don't like them.

Gingernutty

Ah bless, he thinks we can't Google.

The statistic he quotes comes from a pie chart from The Sun newspaper from 14/05/2015.

http://www.wriglesworth.com/news/daily-news/966-daily-news-summary-thursday-14th-may-2015?Itemid=107

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-32731855

And yet, 573,000 jobs is a figure that has been touted around since 2014.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/regional-growth-fund-investment-reaches-4-billion from 11/12/2014

It's an oddly popular number for created jobs...

http://www.dalepak.ltd.uk/news-and-media/news/41 from 16/10/2014

http://www.libdems.org.uk/liberal-democrats-set-out-plans-to-make-the-uk-the-largest-economy-in-europe# from 09/03/2015

It's a target figure for job creation that's been touted by the Con-LibDems before the election run up.

There's no sign of these jobs being created at all, it's simply a target figure for somewhere in the vague 2020s.

ETA : A quick Google suggests that the only mention of Hansard and 573,000 in the same sentence is this forum thread.

Although if I widen the search parameters to "any time"

There's this in the written answers for 21st November 2013

"The total number of NINo registrations to adult overseas nationals in 2009-10: 573,000"

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201314/cmhansrd/cm131121/text/131121w0003.htm

Like I said, 573,000 seems to be a popular number...

sangie595

I am not denying facts because I do not like them - I am the one here using and quoting the actual facts, and providing the source for those facts. Unlike you who has now been asked several times to prove your facts. I have not said that I do not believe the facts. I believe the facts. I do not believe that your facts are accurate and I have explained exactly where the source is that disproves your claims.


If someone who has been a user longer than I have would kindly insert the link you get from googling "UK Labour Market Statistics, May 2015 release, section 3 Employment by nationality and country of birth, not seasonally adjusted" you will all be able to see the actual facts and figures that I have quoted, in context and correctly quoted - and, as I have stated, they do not accord with the rubbish the OP is peddling.


By the way. For future reference Hansard is nothing but a set of minutes. It contains the record of what is said in Parliament. It does not check the veracity or accuracy of what is said and done in Parliament because that is not what minutes do. It simply records, verbatim, what politicians say. Oddly, it has often been observed by some people that politicians appear not always to tell the absolute truth. Or understand facts.

General_Grant

sangie595 wrote: »

If someone who has been a user longer than I have would kindly insert the link you get from googling "UK Labour Market Statistics, May 2015 release, section 3 Employment by nationality and country of birth, not seasonally adjusted" you will all be able to see the actual facts and figures that I have quoted, in context and correctly quoted - and, as I have stated, they do not accord with the rubbish the OP is peddling..

Think the pdf is at http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/lms/labour-market-statistics/may-2015/statistical-bulletin.html

sangie595

General_Grant wrote: »

Think the pdf is at http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/lms/labour-market-statistics/may-2015/statistical-bulletin.html

Thank you. That is the one. And it proves that what I have said is correct - the OP's "facts" are wrong. These are the official statistics of the UK, unabridged and not subject to any political persuasion.


If the OP would now like to check the facts and apologise for the insults thrown at me because they refused to accept the actual facts over their own false statements, I will apologise for suggesting that their intent in repeatedly making false claims despite evidence to the contrary appeared to stem from bigotry and nothing else. That would seem to be a reasonable and mature approach, wouldn't it?

Mersey_2

sangie595 wrote: »

I am not denying facts because I do not like them - I am the one here using and quoting the actual facts, and providing the source for those facts. Unlike you who has now been asked several times to prove your facts. I have not said that I do not believe the facts. I believe the facts. I do not believe that your facts are accurate and I have explained exactly where the source is that disproves your claims.

By the way. For future reference Hansard is nothing but a set of minutes. It contains the record of what is said in Parliament. It does not check the veracity or accuracy of what is said and done in Parliament because that is not what minutes do. It simply records, verbatim, what politicians say. Oddly, it has often been observed by some people that politicians appear not always to tell the absolute truth. Or understand facts.

What utter nonsense again. Hansard is the official worldwide record of the UK Parliament and as such includes Ministerial replies (both oral and written). A great deal of care goes into ensuring the same are accurate, as a Member can be suspended from the House for lying and the Speaker would allow any MP to question - which they regularly do - any statistic deemed to be misleading or inaccurate. Not one has done so. Feel free to write to your MP, as to date, only groups outside Parliament, such as Anarchists and the Socialist Party have questioned these figures on the BBC.

Mersey_2

Another stat for you: Non-EU immigration was 290,000 in 2014 (an increase of 42,000).


The Government is therefore going to:


* restrict work visas,


* increase the minimum salary threshold and


* introduce a new levy on businesses who recruit from abroad.

bap98189

Mersey wrote: »

573,000 jobs were created in Q1 of this year.

Of those, 294,000 went to foreign-born residents.

279,000 went to UK-born Brits.

I remember when it was racist to say "immigrants take most of the jobs around here", but UK Governments have turned it into fact since 2008.

Let's suppose these figures are true. There is a minimum wage so you can't accuse them of undercutting UK workers. These immigrants are competing on a level playing field. So frankly British people need to up their game/skills or whatever is necessary to get the job.

sangie595

I have provided the facts, and you now have the link to prove that my statements are true. You still deny the facts.


So much for reasonable and mature. You have so far intimated that I am some sort of extremist, left winger or anarchist. I am none of these things. I am just right!


You are not interested in the truth. You are only interested in making up statistics to prove your position that "foreign workers are taking most of the jobs". But you are right about one thing - it was racist back in 2008. It is still racist. Employers employ people who want to work, are willing to work, and accept the terms of the work. It would appear from your argument that that does not appear to describe many British born people. On that basis it would appear that when the government restrict these


I see no purpose in continuing a debate about facts which are evidenced and which you still refuse to accept as facts. You are not interested in facts. You are interested in stirring up ill-feeling about people who come here to work and, interestingly, work! When they are no longer able to come here, you will not find that more British born people are in work - you will find that employers can't find people to do the jobs. So they will take the jobs to where people want work - and it won't be this country.