UK 2015 Q1 Employment Stats

Mersey_2

573,000 jobs were created in Q1 of this year.


Of those, 294,000 went to foreign-born residents.


279,000 went to UK-born Brits.




I remember when it was racist to say "immigrants take most of the jobs around here", but UK Governments have turned it into fact since 2008.

tomtontom

Immigrants do not take the jobs, they are given them. It certainly doesn't give a good impression of UK workers if an employer prefers to recruit candidates born elsewhere.

sangie595

I'd dearly like to see the evidence to support this claim. Preferably not from a page in the Sun or the Mail on line.


According to the surveys done by Markit, the increase in jobs falls mainly in the construction and service sectors - renowned for low pay and zero hour contracts (or dodgy "self- employment"). Creating a job does not mean that people have decent (or any) employment. It also includes the creation of part-time jobs, which are increasing at a disproportionate rate - part-time employment does not constitute a living wage.


According to the Office of National Statistics, most "job creation" has been in the field of "self- employment". This may include people setting up their own businesses because they cannot find work - businesses that may or may not succeed, but the statistics are against them. It also includes those claiming to be self-employed to claim benefits as "in work".


There are actually no statistics to evidence job creation. Employers are not required to register the jobs that they create. They are all guesswork which is why it is so easy for politicians to lie about it. And there are therefore no statistics that demonstrate how many created jobs go to non-UK born residents. But there is evidence that demonstrates that non-UK born residents are more likely to be in work than UK residents. Probably because, in common with immigrant groups over the past, they are willing to work in jobs that UK residents won't do. It is ever the cry - seen often enough around here - "it's not worth working because it only the minimum wage". Then blame the immigrants for taking the jobs that nobody wants to do because they are better off on benefits.


My source? I am not allowed to post links but google "House of Commons Briefing paper 26 May 2015 Employment by Country of Birth and Nationality" amongst others including the Markit surveys.

Mersey_2

They're not disputed. Published stats accepted by all political parties.
"There are actually no statistics to evidence job creation.". What nonsense. Try real time, month by month duty to report employees' income to HMRC.


However, I agree you with re the unemployment stats as the Labour Market Survey is only accurate to the nearest 100,000.

sangie595

Mersey wrote: »

They're not disputed. Published stats accepted by all political parties.
"There are actually no statistics to evidence job creation.". What nonsense. Try real time, month by month duty to report employees' income to HMRC.


However, I agree you with re the unemployment stats as the Labour Market Survey is only accurate to the nearest 100,000.

I didn't ask whether they are disputed - everything may be disputed, just as I have disputed your "facts"! I asked for your source for the claims you made. Since you haven't provided that, I assume that your information is made up.


HMRC do not maintain records of whether a job is a new job or an old job - they couldn't possibly know. And not all people in employment are employees and in the "real time" system.


But HMRC can tell us how many people are economically active, and in the first quarter of 2015 the number of people in work (including self-employed) rose by 202,000 over the previous quarter. Which rather makes a hash of your figures of 573,000 new jobs being created and filled in the quarter, doesn't it?


Of course, if you had read the facts correctly, what the report that you didn't source for us actually said was:
"Looking at the estimates by nationality, between January to March 2014 and January to March 2015, the number of:

• UK nationals working in the UK increased by 279,000 to reach 27.91 million
  
• non-UK nationals working in the UK increased by 294,000 to reach 3.09 million"

In other words, the statistics have absolutely nothing to do with the creation of new jobs, and it is an estimate (guess!) for the whole year. It then went on to say that since January 1997 the number of non-UK nationals working in the UK increased from 928,000 to 3.09 million and the proportion of all people working in the UK accounted for by non-UK nationals increased from 3.5% to 10.0%.


Not quite the scaremongering you were looking for, eh?

mikecc

Many jobs being created require overseas candidates because we don't have the skills here.

I firmly believe in enabling the UK population to be the best they can be, and that government and corporations can do their part by providing the right education and training opportunities. However, onus has to be on the individual to prepare themselves for a career, obtain the right skills and qualifications, and manage their career path.

Hypothetical scenario, but if you were a small business owner, looking to grow your team with some business critical hires, would you care about the nationality of your hire? Would you favour a less-qualified British applicant above a more qualified Overseas, or non-British?

Doshwaster

mikecc wrote: »

Many jobs being created require overseas candidates because we don't have the skills here.

In many cases British people do have the skills. Our Universities are pumping out a lot of good quality graduates but those new job seekers have to realise that the stiff face competition from all across Europe and beyond. Most employers just want the best person for the job regardless of whether they are originally from Bristol, Barcelona or Bangalore.

I work with a lot of Life Science companies and when you visit them it's like going to the United Nations as young graduates from all across Europe head to the UK for work. If you have a good science or technology degree from somewhere in Italy, Spain or Greece then there's very little career opportunity for you at home - plus there can be some business advantages in having a multi-lingual workforce.

martinsurrey

Mersey_2

sangie595 wrote: »

I didn't ask whether they are disputed - everything may be disputed, just as I have disputed your "facts"! I asked for your source for the claims you made. Since you haven't provided that, I assume that your information is made up.

And not all people in employment are employees and in the "real time" system.

But HMRC can tell us how many people are economically active, and in the first quarter of 2015 the number of people in work (including self-employed) rose by 202,000 over the previous quarter. Which rather makes a hash of your figures of 573,000 new jobs being created and filled in the quarter, doesn't it?

Of course, if you had read the facts correctly...

Not quite the scaremongering you were looking for, eh?

Ok, to reiterate: these facts are not disputed by any of the 10 political parties represented in the Commons. Just yourself (and presumably Left Unity or some other extremists).


The source is the figures themselves. Provided for in answers in Hansard - agreed by the Labour Party. Indeed, it forms part of their Truth and Reconciliation debate as to why they lost the General Election. Presumably due to reps such as yourselves, who in the fact of FACT, put their fingers in their ears and refuse to believe it.


I agree with you re spurious self-employment; but, I was referring to employees.

Takeaway_Addict

If they are verified then prove it, that is all what is being asked.

[Deleted User]

Mersey wrote: »

294,000 went to foreign-born residents..

Which are paying tax and NI for UK-born pensioners.