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About time landlords and some proper updated legislation

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  • fordcapri2000
    fordcapri2000 Posts: 116 Forumite
    edited 8 June 2015 at 9:54AM
    Old_Git wrote: »
    it you had a flat to rent and four people applied for it which one would you give it to .

    1 female aged 22 on dss ,family leaving the area .We dont know how much housing benefit she will get .

    2 male dss aged 35 on DLA and ESA ,likely to get most of his rent paid ,however he is only out of prison after throwing his girlfriend down the stairs and taking a hammer to her ,he may also be on drugs .

    3 female with dog and no deposit ,on dss

    4 male aged 30 working as manager in next .Works approx 50hrs per week ,currently living with mother 1/4 mile away but wants own place .

    guess which tenant I took



    The hammer wielding dss guy? Am I right?


    Just so typical of this board :)

    You mention DSS, children, pets, lifestyles, which are just everyday examples of the millions of peoples baggage in today's UK and you get the usual suspects introducing ex mass murdering DSS psychos into the equation. Who as well as having a pet spider in a matchbox called Trevor also has an illegal salt water crocodile, which keeps Trevor happy while he is out with his 15 psycho kids terrorising the local neigbourhood wearing his mothers dress.

    or

    He goes for the other choice of church going single guy who works for Oxfam who has no kids or pets due to allergies and has a cleaning fettish.

    Look! to be honest I would not be keen to live in highly predominant areas of unemployed and what you would call "rough areas", if that makes me a snob so be it. There are many lifestyles and people I do not particularly want to hang about with or be close too.

    But it is a free society and it is none of my business what consenting law abiding adults get up to. And it definitely is none of the landlords business how a potential tenant "appears" to look after a short meeting if a meeting at all. I have close family who still surprise me on who they are, so what makes a grotty little judgemental landlord such an expert on people.
  • Herzlos
    Herzlos Posts: 15,936 Forumite
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    But it is a free society and it is none of my business what consenting law abiding adults get up to.

    None of that is affected by the restrictions though; they are all things which impact the property/rent. Pets & smoking damage the furnishings and need cleaned up. Kids can be noisy, and DSS tend not to look after things / have problems paying.

    If they said no gays, or no Italians, or gingers, then there would be outrage. But if they'd said "No aspiring axe-throwers" no-one would complain.
  • wotsthat
    wotsthat Posts: 11,325 Forumite
    But it is a free society and it is none of my business what consenting law abiding adults get up to.

    Unless one of those consenting law abiding adults is a landlord?
  • IveSeenTheLight
    IveSeenTheLight Posts: 13,322 Forumite
    stator wrote: »
    Personally I would get rid of all private landlords, rebalance the housing market somewhat so they aren't necessary.

    All nice and all that, but in order to re-balance, you'd need to return to an era where social / council houses were in greater number.

    As a result of the RTB scheme, the government is hugely reliant and indeed wants the private renter market to expand
    :wall:
    What we've got here is....... failure to communicate.
    Some men you just can't reach.
    :wall:
  • System
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    Carl31 wrote: »
    If you replaced the industry in your example with another service industry, say restaurants, or maybe an entertainment company, like a theme park, and they had a list of people they choose not to serve, there would be absolute uproar

    Of course, if individuals choose to abuse a service or company, then they should be treated according to their behaviour, but that should be on a person by person basis

    This is one of the most unintentionally amusing posts I've read for a while.
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  • benb76
    benb76 Posts: 357 Forumite
    I don't accept people with U18s as they would be almost impossible to evict, even if they didn't pay their rent.

    The no smoking and pets thing is to stop the flat from stinking forever.
  • Conrad
    Conrad Posts: 33,137 Forumite
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    Main examples are NO children, NO Pets, NO DSS and NO smoking etc etc, for crying our loud, these are supposed to be potential homes for people.




    I make about £5k per property in rent per year. It doesn't take much to eat into that and remember I worked bloody hard for the 25% deposits required so yea you're damned right I have an acute interest in how the places will be looked after.


    If you want to give me say another 10% on top to allow for wear and tear and damage (kids tend to cause extra damage / lock themselves in loos / hang off the ceiling light string and curtains / pull down the blinds too hard / spray cola as they open it / drop chocolate cake all over / wee around the loos / scuff walls with shoes and bags) and maybe some for all the cat / dog damage then that might be an ok deal.


    How do you know the LL is not just an ordinary person that has had to move out of area for work and has had to let their place? Can they afford all the extra wear and tear? What if they are on a high variable rate mortgage and have to send money to look after Mum?
  • Conrad
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    I have close family who still surprise me on who they are, so what makes a grotty little judgemental landlord such an expert on people.





    Human Beings observe familiar patterns and whilst far from fail safe these general patterns are helpful in navigating the world.


    On average a nerdy quiet person tends to make the best tenant.
    Just as you would not want to place undue risk on your own pension, a LL with an already stressful life perhaps socially and work wise has no energy for a tenant that is more likely than another to be problematic.
    LL's are Mothers and Partners, they avoid stress where possible.


    Every prospective tenant sells their good side and are oh so grateful to be given a chance, but that can rapidly change into a needy, draining, un caring tenant.


    Many LL's are ordinary people struggling to make ends meet, the last thing they need is to take an unnecessary risk. Patterns inform us reasonably well what sort of person to enter into business with.


    The letting agent in my office was informed a tenant had gone to prison. What to do?
    The LL is a teacher on assignment in America for 2 years.
    The legal route was an impossibility, one could not even engage with the tenant in any practicable sense. Should the teacher just tough it out with no rent and a mortgage to pay indefinitely?


    In the end the flat was cleared by the agent and all his belongings collected by a relative. A new tenant was put in.
    Out of the blue the old tenant suddenly called demanding 'his' flat back. He felt his entitlements and rights exceeded that of the modestly paid LL. Sod that.
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