Ben cap

missbiggles1

poppy10 wrote: »

Market forces, dude. London capitalists love free markets. They shouldn't want the government interfering by topping up the low wages they are paying.

If the government does not subsidise low wages in London, then corporations will be forced to pay the going rate. If they need to pay £15 an hour for a cleaner or a checkout attendant in order to attract people to do the job, then that's what they'll have to do.

Already happens in Switzerland.

If you're talking about cleaners, that's been the rate in London for a while.

OhWow

gayleygoo wrote: »

I think this is a dangerous move. If no-one who receives housing benefit (whether working or not) can live in London, then it changes the voting demographics.

Inventing generous benefits was how Labour imported voters into London. Those Labour areas now used to be working areas, not benefit areas. I know that as my family came from some of these areas and back then a man wouldn't ask others to keep his family.

It's crazy that people who keep their families without benefits, have to commute to London because of high rents when those claiming benefits can live in London. Most of those claimants couldn't afford to live in London if they worked more hours, so they don't.

Benefits giving a better life than if they worked enough hours to keep their own families, has to stop.

OhWow

Killerseven wrote: »

Ha yeah the supermarkets are going to have to pay old ladies £15hr to sit at the tills!

How do you think it worked before all these generous benefits were brought in by New Labour?

"Old ladies" will have pensions or/and a partner who works. There won't be a shortage of people to do these jobs as people will work for pin money as they did before the benefit brigade moved in.

What it will stop is parents moving to an expensive area they couldn't afford if others didn't pay their rent, and turning out child after child they expect others to keep.

Killerseven

missbiggles1 wrote: »

If you're talking about cleaners, that's been the rate in London for a while.

Where do cleaners and checkout attendants get £15hr? More like min wage and topped up with benefits?

Killerseven

OhWow wrote: »

How do you think it worked before all these generous benefits were brought in by New Labour?

Well house prices and rents were affordable without benefits top up.

wiltsguy_2

OhWow wrote: »

What it will stop is parents moving to an expensive area they couldn't afford if others didn't pay their rent, and turning out child after child they expect others to keep.

roll on this day....

rogerblack

OhWow wrote: »

It's crazy that people who keep their families without benefits, have to commute to London because of high rents when those claiming benefits can live in London. Most of those claimants couldn't afford to live in London if they worked more hours, so they don't. .

The largest amount of claimants of HB are in low paid employment, not out of work.
Do you have any figures showing proportions of HB out of work rising in london?

missbiggles1

rogerblack wrote: »

The largest amount of claimants of HB are in low paid employment, not out of work.

But most of these aren't working full time or anything like it.

OhWow

Killerseven wrote: »

Well house prices and rents were affordable without benefits top up.

Benefits have pushed rents up. They are using the same to lower rents.

What a crazy welfare state when someone can just move their family to an expensive area of the country and get other people to contribute to their rent.

OhWow

rogerblack wrote: »

The largest amount of claimants of HB are in low paid employment, not out of work.
Do you have any figures showing proportions of HB out of work rising in london?

Did you read my post that you quoted?

OhWow wrote: »

Most of those claimants couldn't afford to live in London if they worked more hours, so they don't.

Why are you asking me for fiqures of those that are out of work?