Importing workers

lisyloo

Is being a teacher or prison officer in the private sector any less stressful than doing the same job in the public sector.

Tromking said less stressful roles.
I read that as not necessarily doing the same job (especially if wanting les stress).
So for example a prison officer could become a security guard at a hotel, business or shop.
People would do that for less stress and it would be an active decision to take less money in most cases.

Tromking

michaels wrote: »

Is being a teacher or prison officer in the private sector any less stressful than doing the same job in the public sector. For sure the pay is a lot less in the private sector when you factor in the pensions.....

My wife is a teacher and it's widely acknowledged that the hit you usually take in lower remuneration in private sector teaching is offset by the better working environment you enjoy in the average private school.
Private and Public sector prisons are much of a muchness now, as the adoption of the private sector model in public prisons, staffing levels and pay etc. have broadly speaking now made both sphere`s unfit for purpose.

Tromking

lisyloo wrote: »

Tromking said less stressful roles.
I read that as not necessarily doing the same job (especially if wanting les stress).
So for example a prison officer could become a security guard at a hotel, business or shop.
People would do that for less stress and it would be an active decision to take less money in most cases.

Exactly, thankyou.
For example, why deal with damaged young men at HMP Feltham when a less stressful/dangerous role on security at Heathrow Airport is there to be had.

princeofpounds

I wonder how much this problem has exacerbated since paramedics can only now be recruited from those who've done a Paramedic course at university or those who are recruited via the Student Paramedic route whose numbers are, I believe, minimal?

This was a topic I was going to mention too, but I didn't know the specifics for paramedics.


Certainly in (British) medicine there is a large tendency towards centrally planned quotas of training and a 'guild' system of self-regulation. It is also a big problem for labour market flexibility.


To a certain extent this is necessary to protect standards, but often it just amounts to protectionism.


For instance, in the case of doctors there are vast queues of people who want to get into medical school. They may not all be AAAA people (although many of those get turned down anyway as we know), but the truth is that even an AAAB student is probably going to be a perfectly good GP.


It would cost some money to train a few more, but that sum would pale against the savings by having more competition for jobs and lower wage rates.


I bet you that if you went to all those decent candidates turned down by medical schools and offered them a place for 10% less wages in future, most would take you up on that.

kabayiri

It is pretty obvious that people make cost of living calculations before taking on new work roles.

The underlying problem is clearly the expense of London living, of which accommodation must surely dominate.

So why do we not explore heavily discounting travel into the capital? Make it attractive for key workers to live outside London.

Just building more property in London encourages more property speculation does it not?

lisyloo

It's not just the cost of travel that's undesirable, it's the overcrowding, time and unreliability.
Your discount suggestion only fixes the cost issue but makes the overcrowding worse.

CLAPTON

kabayiri wrote: »

It is pretty obvious that people make cost of living calculations before taking on new work roles.

The underlying problem is clearly the expense of London living, of which accommodation must surely dominate.

So why do we not explore heavily discounting travel into the capital? Make it attractive for key workers to live outside London.

Just building more property in London encourages more property speculation does it not?

So people, with modest incomes in Hull, should subsidise somewhat richer people commuting into London?

Why ever does increased supply encourage speculation?

A surplus of apples encourages all the wide boys to buy apples?

Good for global warming however.

Tromking

Interesting to see the issue of a new generational gap in the civil service being mentioned in this report. A third of civil servants are now aged 50-59!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33010439

CLAPTON

Tromking wrote: »

Interesting to see the issue of a new generational gap in the civil service being mentioned in this report. A third of civil servants are now aged 50-59!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33010439

seems the Civil Service should have sacked even more people and make up the shortfall by recruitment to balance the age distribution.

Tromking

CLAPTON wrote: »

seems the Civil Service should have sacked even more people and make up the shortfall by recruitment to balance the age distribution.

An idea currently being trialled in the Prison Service with risible results so far. It seems the private sector style pay and pension ages is ending the idea of time served public sector workers willing to devote the majority of their working lives to a career in public service.
A great way to save money of course, but at what other cost.