Police Vs Cyclist

RS2000.

no1catman wrote: »

'Straws' certainly not - Obstruction relates to Misrepresentation - if the details you give are not credible - then it's surely in your interest to prove they are correct - simple.
And, if you wish to remain silent - why? Silence, surely, is at an interview, when you think anything you say will make things worse, but at some point you'll have to say something either to the Police or the Court.
Maybe it's me - it just that I don't understand why the guy was so argumentative about it, if the Police ask a question - what's wrong with answering it, why all the attitude and back chat!

So not producing ID when there is no legal requirement to do so is misrepresentation or obstruction in your world?

Herzlos

It's required as part of processing the breach of the RTA, regarding red lights.

So there's nothing that explicitly requires it, but you'd have an interesting time trying that one in a court. Is there anything that said a cyclist or pedestrian doesn't need to provide their details as part of an offence?

RS2000.

Herzlos wrote: »

It's required as part of processing the breach of the RTA, regarding red lights.

So there's nothing that explicitly requires it, oh we've changed our mind alreadybut you'd have an interesting time trying that one in a court. Is there anything that said a cyclist or pedestrian doesn't need to provide their details as part of an offence?

No it's not and if you think it is, show us where in the road traffic act it's required.

Herzlos

Show me where cycles and pedestrians are exempt.

RS2000.

Herzlos wrote: »

Show me where cycles and pedestrians are exempt.

Section 164 covers production of documents and since cycles and pedestrians lack a motor it sort of makes them exempt from the act.

matttye

And s.168 covers what information a cyclist/driver suspected of reckless/careless/dangerous cycling/driving must provide when stopped by police - http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/52/section/168.

RS2000.

matttye wrote: »

And s.168 covers what information a cyclist/driver suspected of reckless/careless/dangerous cycling/driving must provide when stopped by police - http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/52/section/168.

But no mention of any requirement to produce ID.

matttye

RS2000. wrote: »

But no mention of any requirement to produce ID.

Yes, there is no requirement to produce ID.

RS2000.

matttye wrote: »

Yes, there is no requirement to produce ID.

I know, but he don't.

Herzlos wrote: »

Show me where cycles and pedestrians are exempt.

Cornucopia

I appreciate that the Law can sometimes turn on the meaning of fiddly little details, but I think you're being unnecessarily pedantic.

There is no requirement to produce ID documentation at that stage. However, there is a requirement to state a valid name and address. There is also the possibility (if the Police are not satisfied with that name and address) that you can be asked to confirm it in some way, and/or be arrested so that it can be confirmed.

I would guess that there is a working assumption on the part of the Police and legislators that most people would prefer not to be arrested, but that's certainly negotiable if alleged offenders want it that way.