unknowingly bought fakes from charity shop

Zandoni

Not to mention it's a tad illegal to sell counterfeit goods.

Johno100

Zandoni wrote: »

Not to mention it's a tad illegal to sell counterfeit goods.

Well as pointed out earlier Police Scotland for one don't seem to have a problem with counterfeit goods being sold in charity shops.

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=68422592&postcount=24

LilElvis

Zandoni wrote: »

Not to mention it's a tad illegal to sell counterfeit goods.

No positive proof that the shoes are fake - the OP has only looked at web pages, no other confirmation appears to have been sought.

Zandoni

Johno100 wrote: »

Well as pointed out earlier Police Scotland for one don't seem to have a problem with counterfeit goods being sold in charity shops.

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=68422592&postcount=24

That's with the permission of the brands that have been copied and they are going abroad.

shaun_from_Africa

Johno100 wrote: »

Well as pointed out earlier Police Scotland for one don't seem to have a problem with counterfeit goods being sold in charity shops.

If as in the case mentioned, the owner of the trademark doesn't want to pursue legal action then any law enforcement agencies are powerless to do anything.

Owain_Moneysaver

Johno100 wrote: »

Well as pointed out earlier Police Scotland for one don't seem to have a problem with counterfeit goods being sold in charity shops.

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=68422592&postcount=24

They aren't being sold in charity shops. They are being shipped overseas, and probably with the labels cut out.

(Of course if you saw the programme a while back on TV about textiles recycling you'd have seen that the 'best' stuff is reimported back into the UK...)

Not only is it illegal to sell fake goods in the UK, it's also illegal to restrict the consumer's statutory rights, so a blanket 'no refunds' sign is itself illegal.

ThumbRemote

daytona0 wrote: »

Of that 55 pounds a percentage goes towards "[raising] money for charitable cause". If that 55 pounds is refunded then 0% goes towards raising money. Unless you mean that company gives charity the money and then takes the 55 pound hit, in which case you are still hindering the company.

So yes, money is ultimately taken away from the charitable cause.


I can't believe you'd even consider bringing up that point!

The £55 will not have reached the charity yet. It will still be part of the trading business. So you are not taking it away from the charity; it will just never reach the charity.

In this case the money was taken under false pretences. The charity shop broke the law. The money was never theirs in the first place. It's not depriving a charity when you put right an initial wrong.

Your logic seems to be that a charity should be able to get away with anything. If someone loses their purse in the charity shop then asks for it back, is that taking money away from the charitable cause?

hollydays

daytona0 wrote: »

Of that 55 pounds a percentage goes towards "[raising] money for charitable cause". If that 55 pounds is refunded then 0% goes towards raising money. Unless you mean that company gives charity the money and then takes the 55 pound hit, in which case you are still hindering the company.

So yes, money is ultimately taken away from the charitable cause.


I can't believe you'd even consider bringing up that point!

I have a broadish knowledge of high fashion clothes and good quality items which I've built up by hard work over about 30 years . Never a month goes by when I don't spot things in charity shops that most people have never heard of which I could buy at say £3 sell for £ 70.
This knowledge hasn't come to me overnight .

The very few times I've broached the subject of the value of goods I've been faced with a variety of responses including " that's what the manager has priced it at ". A blank look. " people round here won't pay that" ( not true actually, dealers will pay more) . " we sell at about ten percent of the retail price" ( yes but they have no idea of what the retail price is , actually £300 pounds for some clothes.
What is relevant is the desirability of items with or without the good quality of some items.
Charity shop managers are not experts they are generalists.
If the charity was run like a proper business they'd be prepared to exploit the profitability of used clothing by paying their staff decent wages. They exploit their paid staff which is not charitable .

foxtrotoscar_2

Nobody on MSE can say with any degree of certainty if the shoes are the real deal or not. Nobody on MSE can state with any degree certainty that the charity doesn't have the £55 paid yet.

daytona0

ThumbRemote wrote: »

The £55 will not have reached the charity yet. It will still be part of the trading business. So you are not taking it away from the charity; it will just never reach the charity.

In this case the money was taken under false pretences. The charity shop broke the law. The money was never theirs in the first place. It's not depriving a charity when you put right an initial wrong.

Your logic seems to be that a charity should be able to get away with anything. If someone loses their purse in the charity shop then asks for it back, is that taking money away from the charitable cause?

If the % does not reach the charity then you are taking money away from the charity in one respect, because they are no longer getting money which they were going to get.

I don't disagree about the charity (POTENTIALLY - it can't be determined without a professional check of the items) breaking the law and the fact that OP may have normal SOGA rights. My point, and I wish you'd read, is that OP made themselves out to be a charitable person who donates items and money regularly. I am questioning to what extent OP is charitable based on their initial motivation for purchase and their strong desire to gain a refund. I have no beef with the legality of the situation, of which I do not disagree with you.

The Purse analogy is wide of the mark too. Please make relevant comments if you wish to discuss my points.