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PIP statistics released. Wait is getting better!
rogerblack
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To follow on from https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5063716 an earlier post about last Octobers statistical release.
At that time, the queue was reducing by 20K/month or so, and the queue was optimistically looking like 4 months till they had cleared the backlog.
As of the last quarter, (Sep-Jan) they are still reducing the backlog at around 25K claims/month.
As of the end of January, the queue of applications made but not decided is around 80K.
The claim is made that the average clearance time as of January is 20 weeks, slightly less for a reassessment.
Unfortunately, statistics of how this is broken down are not there.
For example, are many people being denied early, and a substantial lump still waiting a year on?
It's clearly gotten lots better - for people getting decisions in July of last year, they had on average been waiting 40 weeks, clearly some a lot longer.
The claim is also made that for new claims, the average time to a decision once the receive the form is 1 week.
Again, it is unclear what average this is - median, mode, ...
And if, for example, during January they decided to focus on easy claims that could be decided and put on the backburner ones that did not to improve the figures.
Taking the above figures at face value.
The outstanding queue is around 80K.
They are getting through the backlog at around 25K/month.
New claims are coming in at about 35K/mo.
Given one and a bit months, the ineradicatable queue (customer takes a month to return the form, DWP takes a week to decide) is of the order of 42K or so.
So, the 'real' queue of significantly delayed decisions is 40K or so.
It is probably getting to the point where - if the clearances have occurred at the rate they have in the past, they ran out of 'easy' cases in the backlog perhaps around mid Feb, and have started seriously migrating over people from DLA.
As of Nov 14, there were 1.4 million people on DLA of working age.
Assuming 1300K claim PIP (death, not being able to claim, already migrated), and the current case clearance rate, it will take around 45 months - closing on 4 years - to convert them all over.
Late 2018.
The DWP claim 'by late 2017' all DLA claimants of working age will have migrated over.
This is in principle possible with the current clearance rate modestly improved.
I would expect in 2016 legislation to be introduced to start rolling out PIP in some form to the remaining non-working age DLA claimants.
This is pure speculation.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/412871/pip-statistics-apr-2013-to-jan-2015.pdf
At that time, the queue was reducing by 20K/month or so, and the queue was optimistically looking like 4 months till they had cleared the backlog.
As of the last quarter, (Sep-Jan) they are still reducing the backlog at around 25K claims/month.
As of the end of January, the queue of applications made but not decided is around 80K.
The claim is made that the average clearance time as of January is 20 weeks, slightly less for a reassessment.
Unfortunately, statistics of how this is broken down are not there.
For example, are many people being denied early, and a substantial lump still waiting a year on?
It's clearly gotten lots better - for people getting decisions in July of last year, they had on average been waiting 40 weeks, clearly some a lot longer.
The claim is also made that for new claims, the average time to a decision once the receive the form is 1 week.
Again, it is unclear what average this is - median, mode, ...
And if, for example, during January they decided to focus on easy claims that could be decided and put on the backburner ones that did not to improve the figures.
Taking the above figures at face value.
The outstanding queue is around 80K.
They are getting through the backlog at around 25K/month.
New claims are coming in at about 35K/mo.
Given one and a bit months, the ineradicatable queue (customer takes a month to return the form, DWP takes a week to decide) is of the order of 42K or so.
So, the 'real' queue of significantly delayed decisions is 40K or so.
It is probably getting to the point where - if the clearances have occurred at the rate they have in the past, they ran out of 'easy' cases in the backlog perhaps around mid Feb, and have started seriously migrating over people from DLA.
As of Nov 14, there were 1.4 million people on DLA of working age.
Assuming 1300K claim PIP (death, not being able to claim, already migrated), and the current case clearance rate, it will take around 45 months - closing on 4 years - to convert them all over.
Late 2018.
The DWP claim 'by late 2017' all DLA claimants of working age will have migrated over.
This is in principle possible with the current clearance rate modestly improved.
I would expect in 2016 legislation to be introduced to start rolling out PIP in some form to the remaining non-working age DLA claimants.
This is pure speculation.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/412871/pip-statistics-apr-2013-to-jan-2015.pdf
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My partner made his initial claim by phone on 15th April we got claim form on 22nd April we posted on the 27th April and I was expecting long wait from then he got letter from atos on 2nd may saying we have your form and will be in touch about face to face he got letter about face to face on the 6th May and his f2f appt was the 14th. I'm really surprised how quick it has all been now just waiting on letter to see if he was successful0
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Thank goodness things have improved. Maybe now we will start to see the savings start to mount up when the the national transfer starts in October. There will be £millions saved if the past reports are correct of upwards of 25% on what was being paid out in DLA awards.0
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do we think,that us on indefinate DLA ,will just be moved to PIP,i know they say everyone will be assesed,but it will take a long time,and in most cases a waste of money getting people like me to go through a medical etc ,,I have MS,and need help all the time0
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do we think,that us on indefinate DLA ,will just be moved to PIP,i know they say everyone will be assesed,but it will take a long time,and in most cases a waste of money getting people like me to go through a medical etc ,,I have MS,and need help all the time
Whatever you have previously been awarded means nothing for PIP. DLA and PIP are as different as chalk and cheese.
With DLA it was a self assessed benefit whereas PIP is evidence based. PIP is based around descriptors - fit the right box you will be given a score, add the scores up at the end and if you pass the magic thresholds you are awarded it.
No one should be transferred over, that is the whole point.of having a new benefit. The government has to lose at least 20% of those that would have got DLA but won't get PIP.
I was on DLA for quite a few years. I had regular reassessments and was always awarded High Mobility and Middle Care.
I had to claim PIP and received nothing - a saving for the government of over £100 a week just from me.0 -
do we think,that us on indefinate DLA ,will just be moved to PIP,i know they say everyone will be assesed,but it will take a long time,and in most cases a waste of money getting people like me to go through a medical etc ,,I have MS,and need help all the time
As above - late 2017 is the official claim that everyone will have been moved over.0 -
Look out, bitter Andy is back.0
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