The Effects of Conservative Cuts 2015-2020

antrobus

ruggedtoast wrote: »

I think the Consevatives have some plans for that.

I believe that their plan is to make everybody richer.

ruggedtoast

CLAPTON wrote: »

100% of state pensions are below the minimum wage

Minimum wage for what? Pensioners don't work.

You're always telling us Clapton,your generation have had their whole lives to stand on their own two feet, to make canny investments, to build housing wealth. You simply don't need the tax payer to give you a hand out for doing nothing at the end of your working life.

Well, some of you do, but you don't. Which is why I would like to see winter fuel allowances, free TV licenses, and free bus passes for affluent home owning over 60s removed for the utter absurdity that they are. But of course this form of welfare is the only kind that the conservatives and their voters are quite happy to see continue.

Generali

danothy wrote: »

You're not thinking comparatively. It's like the opposite of that thing when you say "Don't worry, lots of people fail their driving test the first time" and it makes as good as if they had passed ... comparatively.

Apparently poor people in the UK are getting richer in relative terms too as bankers' bonuses have shrunk. In the Through the Looking Glass world that is socialism, rich people getting poorer is just as good as poor people getting richer.

ruggedtoast

antrobus wrote: »

I believe that their plan is to make everybody richer.

Yeah, thats what they generally say. Considering that they are beginning this grand plan by taking a lot of resources away from poor people to hand over as tax breaks to higher earners, and knocking the legs out from Sure Start and Education funding, I don't really see how this is going to happen.

You can give a man a fish, or teach a man to fish; or, if you're in our government you can not give him a fish, and not teach him to fish either because you want all the fish for yourself and your corrupt carpet bagging cronies.

wotsthat

ruggedtoast wrote: »

You're always telling us Clapton,your generation have had their whole lives to stand on their own two feet, to make canny investments, to build housing wealth. You simply don't need the tax payer to give you a hand out for doing nothing at the end of your working life.

If the average age of MP's has remained at 50 (maybe it'll go down now Vince Cable has gone plus SNP MP's seem to be younger than average) then the average MP is no longer a boomer.

And with boomers dying at an increasing rate as they head towards the steep part of the mortality curve it can only be a matter of time before R. Toast Junior joins these forums and starts blaming Gen X for everything that's wrong with the world.

Generali

ruggedtoast wrote: »

I think the Consevatives have some plans for that.

The best thing that can happen for the poor is for the country to get richer.

Compare the median income in China with the median income of the bottom 10% in the UK.

ruggedtoast

wotsthat wrote: »

If the average age of MP's has remained at 50 (maybe it'll go down now Vince Cable has gone plus SNP MP's seem to be younger than average) then the average MP is no longer a boomer.

And with boomers dying at an increasing rate as they head towards the steep part of the mortality curve it can only be a matter of time before R. Toast Junior joins these forums and starts blaming Gen X for everything that's wrong with the world.

Whatever. I don't expect people who are worse off than me to give me handouts.

I neither expect there to be a state pension when I retire nor am I relying on there being one.

I believe it's called taking responsibility for oneself. Something the advocates of our current political regime seem very keen on advocating for other people, but not so much when it comes to themselves.

CLAPTON

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Minimum wage for what? Pensioners don't work.

You're always telling us Clapton,your generation have had their whole lives to stand on their own two feet, to make canny investments, to build housing wealth. You simply don't need the tax payer to give you a hand out for doing nothing at the end of your working life.

Well, some of you do, but you don't. Which is why I would like to see winter fuel allowances, free TV licenses, and free bus passes for affluent home owning over 60s removed for the utter absurdity that they are. But of course this form of welfare is the only kind that the conservatives and their voters are quite happy to see continue.

do try to keep up: your first misunderstanding has already been addressed.

And no I haven't told you that boomers have stood on their own feet all their lives as they share the normal range of competencies like all other : do try to keep up.

I have reminded you that boomers are in the age range 50 -70 approx and so many aren't retired and I have also advised that really your mummy and daddy and grandparents really do love you inspite of yourself.

But we do agree that there is no need to give winter fuel allowance, free bus passes and TV licenses etc to people simply because they reach a certain age. I'm sure there are better uses for the money.

ruggedtoast

Generali wrote: »

The best thing that can happen for the poor is for the country to get richer.

Compare the median income in China with the median income of the bottom 10% in the UK.

The best thing that can happen for the poor is for the country to get richer and for them to have access to the high level opportunities that growth brings.

This is not in the Tories model, if it were they wouldn't be taking money away from state children's Education provision and handing it over as tax breaks to people who can already afford to give their own children the best education that money can buy.

What the Tories mostly want, IMO, is an upper class of people like them supported by a non unionised low wage working class doing what Rupert Murdoch tells them to.

Which appears to be exactly what they are getting, sadly.

wotsthat

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Whatever. I don't expect people who are worse off than me to give me handouts.

I neither expect there to be a state pension when I retire nor am I relying on there being one.

I believe it's called taking responsibility for oneself. Something the advocates of our current political regime seem very keen on advocating for other people, but not so much when it comes to themselves.

So when the boomers have all popped off the next generation of older voters (you and I) will no longer be tempted to vote for someone based on the size of the bribe?

Sounds unlikely.