National trust parking and fines (do they exist)

musemad

Just wondering if anyone out there has ever been fined in a national trust car park.
There are quite a few that are quite expensive and in areas where there is no free parking at all ie lake district and Avebury , there must be many more.
Come to think of it I have never seen anyone checking cars in any car park (most you pay as you enter).
Just thought there might be a few interesting stories out there...

trisontana

Nobody would have been "fined". What they might have had is a private parking charge notice.

ColliesCarer

Private Parking Companies are often engaged by the National Trust and the Lake District Councils to manage their car parks.

ANPR equipment is frequently used to identify the reg numbers for non payment or underpayment and Parking Charge Notices will then be sent to the registered keeper.

http://www.lakedistrict.gov.uk/visiting/planyourvisit/travelandtransport/carparks

Castle

ColliesCarer wrote: »

Private Parking Companies are often engaged by the National Trust and the Lake District Councils to manage their car parks.

ANPR equipment is frequently used to identify the reg numbers for non payment or underpayment and Parking Charge Notices will then be sent to the registered keeper.

http://www.lakedistrict.gov.uk/visiting/planyourvisit/travelandtransport/carparks

Thanks for the link; it nice to know that they refer to them as parking penalties as in "How to appeal against a parking penalty"

musemad

so you might not even know that you have been caught till it comes through the letterbox

ColliesCarer

musemad wrote: »

so you might not even know that you have been caught till it comes through the letterbox

Yep.

If they are going to rely on POFA 2012 Schedule 4 to be able to pursue the keeper, the charge notice would have to arrive by day 15 counting from the date of the incident.

Read the sticky NEWBIES thread on what to do should you get one.

hartley_hare

In theory, yes. But like I said in my thread about my PCN, mine arrived on day 16, a full 8 days after the date on the PCN. But they don't use any kind of recorded delivery, so as far as the law is concerned, mine arrived 2 days after it was dated. So essentially the day 15 rule is completely meaningless, I can't imagine how it could ever be used as a valid defence.

I can't prove that my PCN arrived late, nor can I prove that PE realised they were sending it late so put a fake date on it.

Phil

bazster

hartley_hare wrote: »

In theory, yes. But like I said in my thread about my PCN, mine arrived on day 16, a full 8 days after the date on the PCN. But they don't use any kind of recorded delivery, so as far as the law is concerned, mine arrived 2 days after it was dated. So essentially the day 15 rule is completely meaningless, I can't imagine how it could ever be used as a valid defence.

I can't prove that my PCN arrived late, nor can I prove that PE realised they were sending it late so put a fake date on it.

Phil

We're talking about a civil case, probable proof is all that is needed, not proof beyond reasonable doubt, and your own testimony is evidence. If you were to assert the date on which the NtK arrived PE would be entirely incapable of refuting your assertion and a judge would simply decide whether he believes you.

The_Deep

mine arrived 2 days after it was dated. So essentially the day 15 rule is completely meaningless, I can't imagine how it could ever be used as a valid defence.

All you need do, if it ever got to court, is to look the judge in the eye, and say," Sir/Madam, I did not come here to lie to the court". Unless you are a known tow rag he/she has little choice but to believe youl.

Guys_Dad

The_Deep wrote: »

mine arrived 2 days after it was dated. So essentially the day 15 rule is completely meaningless, I can't imagine how it could ever be used as a valid defence.

All you need do, if it ever got to court, is to look the judge in the eye, and say," Sir/Madam, I did not come here to lie to the court". Unless you are a known tow rag he/she has little choice but to believe youl.

Regrettably, he is more likely to refer to the wording in POFA that states that it is deemed delivered 2 working days after posting and, when the PE barrister (or whatever PPC hired advocate) states that their company is a reputable public company and doesn't lie either.....................shrug his shoulders , decide he can't rule on that and proceed with the case "on its merits and evidence".