Why ESA is unfair for the sick!

abrockall

I was on ESA WRAG group for 6 years.
Last year I had a re-assessment and lied during my questioning.

I do suffer from mental health issues but not severe ones, which is why I was originally put in the WRAG group.
I can work!!!

This time I lied and said I hear voices like a schizophrenic. And that I have feelings of hurting people.
They didn't even check with my GP if I was telling the truth.
A few weeks later I got a letter saying that I have been moved to the support group and no longer need to attend the jobcentre.


My mother on the other hand had a double brain haemorrhage and a stroke, leading to an uncontrollable bowel (she constantly messes herself),
needs a walking stick as the stroke left the left half side of her body almost paralised. Lost sight in her left eye and can't talk properly.
She was found fit for work and had to wait 20 months for a tribunal. She won but still in the WRAG group.

I realise this means I am admitting to benefit fraud.

Just letting you know just how unfair the system really is! A simple lie got me more money than I am entitled to under Conservative/LibDem rules.
It was to easy. When others suffer

My mother clearly needs to be in the support group and myself in the wrag group.
But that's not how it panned out.
I get the support group while seriously sick people are forced to go into work programmes.

NOT FAIR.

And I will be ending my claim on monday which is why I am telling you.

Use my story to complain to government, or use it to make your own claims. Up to you. Good luck

AMG762

So you are against undeclared capital from your post here...

abrockall wrote: »

You will be prosecuted as a criminal in a crown court. Magistrates can't deal with an amount like this.
Yes you will have to pay back the overpayment!
Yes you can pay by installments.
Yes bailiffs will take your goods if you don't pay.

Personally you make me feel sick. If I even had the minimum £8,000 I would not be claiming benefits.
Shame on you while we struggle to buy gas and food

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5230437


But in your opinion its okay for you to lie on the review forms?


Fraud is Fraud

abrockall

No it is not ok to lie on forms.
I did it to make a point and am now ending the claim.
Doing the right thing

Mrs_Ryan

I know that feeling.
I have fibromyalgia and last time I had a flare I was bedbound for a fortnight. I was in severe pain everywhere including in my eyes which meant I couldn't bear the light. I had to lie still in bed wearing sunglasses.
I have cancer related mental health problems which in the words of my psychologist are 'severe and long term' she now also wants an investigation of a possible eating disorder. I have PTSD which means I have a huge fear of men I don't know. This is one of the reasons I'm in ESA support group. My mobility is limited and I walk with crutches.
Yet I seemingly don't qualify for PIP as I have 'no care or mobility needs'
Yet my brother whose only medical problem is an acute case of lazyitis and attention seeking and who is a pathological liar has just been awarded high rate Daily Living because he told lies.
I told the total truth and sent them documentation from my oncologist and psychiatrist and now with the appeal I'm sending them my psychologists report. I'm having to have a paper hearing as obviously they can't guarantee an all female panel.
Telling the truth gets you nowhere it seems :mad:

cifpower

abrockall wrote: »

I was on ESA WRAG group for 6 years.
Last year I had a re-assessment and lied during my questioning.

I do suffer from mental health issues but not severe ones, which is why I was originally put in the WRAG group.
I can work!!!

This time I lied and said I hear voices like a schizophrenic. And that I have feelings of hurting people.
They didn't even check with my GP if I was telling the truth.
A few weeks later I got a letter saying that I have been moved to the support group and no longer need to attend the jobcentre.


My mother on the other hand had a double brain haemorrhage and a stroke, leading to an uncontrollable bowel (she constantly messes herself),
needs a walking stick as the stroke left the left half side of her body almost paralised. Lost sight in her left eye and can't talk properly.
She was found fit for work and had to wait 20 months for a tribunal. She won but still in the WRAG group.

I realise this means I am admitting to benefit fraud.

Just letting you know just how unfair the system really is! A simple lie got me more money than I am entitled to under Conservative/LibDem rules.
It was to easy. When others suffer

My mother clearly needs to be in the support group and myself in the wrag group.
But that's not how it panned out.
I get the support group while seriously sick people are forced to go into work programmes.

NOT FAIR.

And I will be ending my claim on monday which is why I am telling you.

Use my story to complain to government, or use it to make your own claims. Up to you. Good luck

Shall you be repaying your fraudulently claimed benefits back? Or, better still, giving them to your mother?

wiltsguy_2

i thInk the OP has been very honest(not to the docs though).

I also know of many people that lie to get benefits, one lady says she can hardly walk and uses a chair, last year at the local pub she won on bingo and leapt out of her chair and almost sprinted to claim her prize!! everyones eye brows raised, she has a mobility car and cash eack month.....there are porbably so many, and i doubt PIP will catch them all

Weary_soul

ESA/DLA fraud is very, very low by the DWP own figures, whilst tax fraud is very high, so what is that telling us about when it comes to the Tories priorities?

Also I suspect the OP is just a troll on a wind up mission.

cifpower

Weary_soul wrote: »

ESA/DLA fraud is very, very low by the DWP own figures, whilst tax fraud is very high, so what is that telling us about when it comes to the Tories priorities?

Also I suspect the OP is just a troll on a wind up mission.

Low as percentage terms; what is it as cash terms?

rogerblack

abrockall wrote: »

No it is not ok to lie on forms.
I did it to make a point and am now ending the claim.
Doing the right thing

Even if you repay the money, you have committed benefit fraud - a crime, as well as made yourself liable for a civil penalty.

Your original post also assumes that you'd have told your GP about all your symptoms.
That doesn't always happen, for a number of reasons.
In my case, I rarely go to my GP so they don't know me.

Due to the 'there is no quota' quota system, you've likely pushed one person from the support to work-related group.

ESA is specifically not paid on the basis of if you can work or not.
It's if you meet various descriptors, or are a danger to yourself or others, or have certain specified conditions.
Ability to work is not assessed.

Brighty

I agree ESA is not fair at all.


My wife who's worked full time for 20yrs, has 2 years of reduced earnings due to maternity leave and working part time to have the kids, then gets ill and is signed off work, gets 6 months SSP and is then told she's not entitled to ESA as she hasn't paid enough NI in the last 2 tax years, so she gets nothing, zilch, no income whatsoever.


Her work have let her go, so even if/when she is ready to return to work, she won't be entitled to JSA either. She'll never be entitled to ESA or JSA for the whole rest of her life until she has returned to work full time for 2 tax years. Absolutely crazy I think, but thems the rules.


So instead we're taking them for every penny we can get by following their rules.
Applied for and received mid care component DLA for our son, which now means my wife can get carers allowance and also means we're now entitled to some tax credits again, when our son is 5 later this year, we'll also get low level mobility DLA for him too.
All in all we'll now be getting triple the money that we would have got if they gave her ESA. Oh well, thems the rules


Brighty

tomtom256

Weary_soul wrote: »

ESA/DLA fraud is very, very low by the DWP own figures, whilst tax fraud is very high, so what is that telling us about when it comes to the Tories priorities?

Also I suspect the OP is just a troll on a wind up mission.

But that figure is based on those caught and prosecuted. Not those claiming it that swing the lead.