Parking fine just for dropping off passengers?

starfish2014

Hi all,

Sorry if this has been asked before but I can't seem to find an answer...my husband dropped me off in town earlier and as I got out of the car I noticed a sign which said "no parking, no waiting, no stopping" and that CCTV was in constant use and a fine of £90 would be levied for anyone in breach. (I don't know the exact wording but it was something along those lines). We never would have stopped there if we'd known. My husband was only there for about 30 seconds. Is it likely we'll receive a ticket? I appreciate the advice on here re. private land and parking tickets - I just need to know whether these companies usually issue letters just for dropping passengers off (not parking)?

Thanks

Half_way

Stopped where? in a yellow box junction somewhere in central London with a CTV camera overhead?
Then yes you will most likely receive a fine

starfish2014

It was a private car park/service area I believe

enfield_freddy

IF ON PRIVATE LAND/CARPARK


if he receives a "ticket" return , because there are some legal reasons that they will struggle with to get your info from the DVLA.


as its a ANPR system , they would have to contact you within 14 days , probably an impossible task to get your data by post , sent to them , returned and a letter sent to you




who was the company involved?

Umkomaas

if he receives a "ticket" return , because there are some legal reasons that they will struggle with to get your info from the DVLA.

Not with electronic access to the database. Details returned within nanoseconds - provided an ATA AOS member with Kadoe contract with DVLA.

enfield_freddy

and for a stopping offence (not parking) they cannot use the Kadoe contract , and have to apply using form v888 (check needed) by post.


also if the offence is stopping , only a charge of trespass can be brought , and only by the land owner.


if they use the Kadoe contract , then this is a breech , and dennis whatshisname@ DVLA cannot use the security stunt that VCS are using at JLA.


I have caught "trev" out using the Kadoe contract for one of his trespass ones a week after his payment stopped to the BPA.


this is the way , after reading the Kadoe contract , and adjacent document's I think it applies , do you agree or not?


if its (private) ANPR and it comes within 14 days , it smells for a stopping offence.


to add:





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B2.1. The DVLA shall provide each requested item of Data to the Customer via the KADOE Service for the Reasonable Cause of enabling the Customer to:


a) seek recovery of unpaid Parking Charges in accordance with the Accredited Trade Association Code of Practice, and using the procedure in Schedule 4 to the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (where the vehicle was parked on private land in England or Wales on a particular date); and


b) otherwise seek recovery from a driver of unpaid Parking Charges in accordance with the Accredited Trade Association Code of Practice (where the vehicle was parked on private land in Scotland or Northern Ireland by that driver on a particular date, or where the Customer has chosen not to pursue, or is not in a position to pursue the vehicle keeper by utilising conditions in Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012).


B2.2.




https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/183591/response/451890/attach/5/FOIR3720%20Annex%20C.pdf




can,t see stopping listed there?

Umkomaas

If that's not received within the POFA timescale, I'll eat my leg!

This will be a bog-standard electronic request for keeper data; they don't have to explain why they are requesting it - they belong to an ATA, so they could request it for any of their 'made up' criteria (peeing in the corner of the car park, even), the DVLA won't care, even if they knew the reason for the request - just as long as it's accompanied by their £2.50.

Why? Because they are a member of an ATA AOS.

By all means chase up after the event, but be sure that the 'event' will happen, as sure as night follows day!

enfield_freddy

This will be a bog-standard electronic request for keeper data; they don't have to explain why they are requesting it

B2.2. The Customer shall use each item of the Data only for the Reasonable Cause for which it was provided.




then this will be a valid reason for there ATA to clearly sanction them , and for the DVLA , after pressure to decline or remove them from the Kadoe contract .


we know its a joke , but one day they WILL have to act ,

Umkomaas

enfield_freddy wrote: »

then this will be a valid reason for there ATA to clearly sanction them , and for the DVLA , after pressure to decline or remove them from the Kadoe contract .


we know its a joke , but one day they WILL have to act ,

Maybe, maybe not. But I don't think we should be giving the OP any hopes or false dawns/illusions to encourage any complacency by musings of what utopia might be in your view.

We need to deal with individual cases on the basis of what's known, what's reality, what's possible.

The higher level stuff is for a different place, a different time and a far more strategic approach than simply helping an individual with his/her immediate problem.

enfield_freddy

yes , I am agreeing with you ,


however the OP should mention clearly on there return/next posting , if the first letter


1: claims to be ANPR
2: is received within the required 14 days for ANPR
3: that the charge is one of stopping


if the answers to the above are "yes" , then we have an underlining problem , that the PPC may regret.

esmerobbo

Freddy unfortunately "The reasonable cause" is being an ATA member with an electronic link.

The DVLA are masters at sidestepping the issue of reasonable cause.

It's a pity we don't know the PPC, maybe we could add more.