Job banding NHS

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WolfSong2000 wrote: »

In my humble opinion the whole "banding" system is a bit of a joke - pay people what they're worth. .

Not sure if any of you remember the whole "Agenda for Change" where all jobs in NHS were matched to some generic nonsense job spec to uniform NHS salaries across the country.

At that time my job was banded at 7 and where I worked it was the only Trust in England paying 7 for my job - based on our then manager using ermmm very good JD for us. Other people with the same job title in different Trusts were banded on 5.

When that manager left - they downgraded our jobs to 6 (with pay protection) and then again down to 5.

Well, I left as soon as the first downgrade happened with MARS (Mutually Agreed Resignation Scheme) and a good pay off - and went contracting.

Friends who stayed behind face a 20k total pay drop this year as their protection ends now.

WolfSong2000

pmd123 wrote: »

If you're responsible for managing 70 staff then there is no way your role should be a band 6, the equivalent at our organisation would be a head of service role, at least at an 8c level.

In your position, I would be asking for the team to be restructured to provide a different management structure, I line manage 9, and that takes a major chunk of my time, answering questions, giving advice, 1 to 1's, team meetings, reviewing reports etc. there is no way being responsible for 70 can be the best management structure for a service.

Hah! I wish. I got told I was lucky as my role used to be a band 5. I only "directly" line manage around 8-10 people - the rest are people in their teams, however as the team leaders are not always the most competent, I have to get actively involved in managing many more than I should. Having to do a lot of performance management, sickness reviews, meetings with team leaders, etc - and that is on top of all my other meetings, projects I am managing/co-ordinating, contracts and all the rest.

At the moment I am a contractor so my rate isn't too bad, but if I go permanent like my boss wants me to I would lost around £15-£20k per year as all though I can do the job (and have proven this) I don't have the years of experience the NHS requires to match the rate I am currently on as a contractor. It's mind-boggling.

GlasweJen

I know lots of band 6 and 7s who don't manage people at all. Information scientist, specialist scientist, specialist BMS, senior pharmacist, epidemiologist - my first undergrad was in science and all the people who I went to uni with who then joined the NHS are band 5+ and I think only 1 does any management of people.

The weird thing is in Edinburgh a BMS is a 5 and in Glasgow its a 4-5 completely bizzare.

TrickyDicky101

If you feel so undervalued why don't you seek employment outside of the NHS?

elliew92

I have spoken to my manager and they are discussing together whether they think this should go up a band, i will find out on the 6th May.

I have an interview in the mean time for a higher band.

*~Zephyr~*

TrickyDicky101 wrote: »

If you feel so undervalued why don't you seek employment outside of the NHS?

I suspect because, judging by figures bandied around on this thread, their worth in the private sector is significantly lower than in the NHS.

GlasweJen

There are lots of benefits to working in the NHS; sick pay, maternity pay, superannuation pension, leave to attend appointments, flexible working arrangements, the ability to go on secondment and return to your old job at your whim, paid parental leave etc.

Even as a professional in the private sector all I could get was statutory sick pay, maternity, unpaid leave if a child care emergency cropped up, if I wanted to go to the doctor within my contracted hours then tough - take the day off sick and unpaid.

elliew92

TrickyDicky101 wrote: »

If you feel so undervalued why don't you seek employment outside of the NHS?

Like Glaswejen said the NHS offer a lot of perks, in my last job i never got sick pay you had to be off for 2 days before you got it. You get lots of discount, good holidays etc..

I feel safer being in the NHS than others that could possibly go into administration. The NHS is such a big working force it is unlikely to happen.

Sncjw

Why not offer to do some tasks as that are part of band 4 then you have some of the skills for that role which will make it easier to get the band 4. Have your had your increment review I would imagine so if you have been there for 16 months

elliew92

Sncjw wrote: »

Why not offer to do some tasks as that are part of band 4 then you have some of the skills for that role which will make it easier to get the band 4. Have your had your increment review I would imagine so if you have been there for 16 months

I have been doing that and going on courses to increase my skills.

I never had my yearly meeting i kept nagging and nothing was booked until may now so it is 4 months over due.
i got my increment in January.