Front door rim lock advice

modelreject

Hi,

Getting new engineered wood front door installed. It will have a 5 lever mortice, British Standard (BS) and a Rim/Night Latch.

First question, for insurance purposes, does the night latch have to be BS even if Mortice is BS?

I see more night latches have a different face plate on the outside eg Top right here http://products.ironcdn.co/570331.jpg?w=400&quality=80&ts=1842015

I want the old style circular face with added face pull, do they not sell these to BS now?

There is also another mine field, I am trying to get my head around.

Dead locking
Auto Dead locking
Double Locking

What are the differences?

From a practical point of view I wouldn't want one of the locks where you have to turn the key twice before you leave to set a deadlock etc. Seems like a nuisance.

I know there's a lot to answer here so thanks in advance for any advice.

Thanks,
MR

dacouch

Do you live in a high crime area or have an above average amount of contents?

I ask as if you do such locks will probably be a requirement of obtaining insurance.

If you don't you'll receive a discount of circa £4 a year from insurance but in return the Insurers will endorse your policy to state all the door and window locks must be used for theft cover to be operative. If you don't take the discount they won't endorse your policy so you don't have to worry about whether the door has been locked properly.

Generally best to avoid the security discount if you can as the amount you receive is so small

modelreject

Not a high crime area and nothing of extremely high value in the house. Thanks for the information!

27col

Turning the key twice when leaving the house will become so second nature to you That in a very short time, you will not even notice that you are doing it.

modelreject

For normal day to day use, nipping out for an hour or 2 can you bypass the double lock and make the lock behave like a simple Yale lock?

What is the difference between the double locking and the auto deadlocking?

Thanks

Reece_

Deadlocking nightlatches require key to be turned outside as you leave to enable deadlocking, auto deadlocking will deadlock as they close providing adequate spacing between latch and keeper plate.
As far as I'm aware the BS have a different external barrel that offers the higher security, if you want a round barrel with a pull then an ingersoll classic is a round faced barrel although not flat like the standard yale type and whilst not BS are high security and built incredibly well.

Reece_

modelreject wrote: »

For normal day to day use, nipping out for an hour or 2 can you bypass the double lock and make the lock behave like a simple Yale lock?

Yes just shut the door.

dacouch

modelreject wrote: »

Not a high crime area and nothing of extremely high value in the house. Thanks for the information!

In that case I would suggest you obtain quotes with and without the security declared. You will be surprised how little difference it makes but taking the discount will almost certainly result in the requirement to use the door and window locks when you leave the home, some will even require you lock the doors and windows (Eg windows in rooms you're not in) at night time

modelreject

This one looks to be BS and has the round face, http://www.consumableitems.co.uk/CONS91993/era-double-locking-nightlatch-60mm-brass-body-brass-cylinder

You think this would be a good option?..although it states, 'main lock bolt is automatically deadlocked'

Reece_

modelreject wrote: »

This one looks to be BS and has the round face, http://www.consumableitems.co.uk/CONS91993/era-double-locking-nightlatch-60mm-brass-body-brass-cylinder

You think this would be a good option?..although it states, 'main lock bolt is automatically deadlocked'

Case looks like the BS but it isn't a BS, you get the higher level of security from the different style barrel as it increases anti drill protection.

Main bolt deadlocking is from the secondry small latch you can see, as that is depressed against the keeper when the door is shut it prevents the latch from being forced open or carded.

leveller2911

Agree with Reece, you need to look for locks that comply with BS3621 which are a minimum requirement for insurance companies. If you fit a BS3621 5 Lever sash/deadlock then the nightlatch doesn't need to be BS approved.

http://www.ironmongerydirect.co.uk/products/locks_latches_and_security/nightlatches/3484/era_bs36212004_double_locking_nightlatch/570331


Quote: "I want the old style circular face with added face pull, do they not sell these to BS now?".

Behind the " face pull" of the BS nightlatch its exactly the same barrel as the old style, its just the front "pull" that differs.