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Bananababe wrote: »

Bikertov that post is tremendous. A full understanding of the position of politics and the role of the government.


Post of the week

Thankyou :T:T:T

Seconded :T:T:T

Behind_The_Sofa wrote: »

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/10/garden-centre-owners-10-tax-for-tory-voters-sign-goes-viral

I might set up a crowdfunding page to support him.

You really need to accept the results of the election and get over it.

Savvybuyer

Bikertov wrote: »

Just because everyone else is talking Politics, I will throw a few thoughts of my own in too:
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Just a few thoughts;):rotfl:.

You've had the last word on that as I'm not going to add my further comments!!

Just a different point though, and it relates back to the same one as the point I was making just now about, about some of the public lacking knowledge (as I say is shown by that APG just now), a comment to one of the news websites I was reading was from someone who said they were a first-time voter and that they didn't realise that the Tories and the Conservatives were one and the same!:(

We are dealing with people like that...:rotfl:

That's just how lacking some in the voting public are! It leaves me somewhat astounded, but I suppose I should never have been surprised or put anything past the lack of knowledge that some clearly have - it goes far beyond what I imagined - although I will not rely anymore or ever again on any surveys that claim so many percent of the public believe this or that, as it's possible that all surveys and all market research is completely wrong and could be 10% or over out on every figure it gives.

pk04

Bikertov wrote: »

Just because everyone else is talking Politics, I will throw a few thoughts of my own in too:

Look at all the election results over the last 40 years at least ...

NO PARTY has ever got more than 50% of the vote - the highest is 42/43%. So you could say that in EVERY election, the 'winning' party was NOT wanted by the majority of the electorate - including every Labour government elected.

The 1997 Labour "landslide" - 57% of the electorate did NOT want Labour. They got 40% more votes, but got 2 1/2 times the seats (compared to the Tories).

So let us not be selective about voting results and seats - it works both ways.

If we had Proportional Representation, you would still have a 'ruling' party that most people did not want (in the first instance), but it would most likely be less stable, as you would always need some form of coalition.

Having First Past the Post at least gives relative stability, especially with a majority of seats. It allows a clear period to put in place policies, and see if they work or not. If they don't, then just vote that party out at the next election.

If we had PR, then the SNP would have very few seats, and UKIP would have loads - twice as many as SNP, more than the LibDems, and just under half of Labour.


And finally, forget all the fancy theories - a basic economic fact is surely that you can't go on spending more than you earn, by borrowing and borrowing. No different at Household level, Company level or Country level. Eventually you will go bust.

The fact is, to have a generous Welfare State costs money, and if no-one is paying into it, bar a few 'rich' people, it will fail. Surely Welfare should be for the poorest few only, that really can't afford the basics, not for so many that seems to be the case now. Poverty is relative - we really don't have the slums and poverty of 50 / 60 years ago or more. And Poverty does NOT mean not having flat screen TV's and mobile phones, or enough money for 40 cigarettes a day. Basic sensible household economics could sort a lot of issues (not all of course ... ). But the fundamental fact is that work and earning should be the aim and the norm, not benefits.

And the world we live in is such that success breeds wealth, and that pays for all the things we all want. If you discourage success, where is the wealth going to be generated from that pays for all these 'free' things you want ?

If you stifle success, by taxing it out of existance, you will have no growth, and no success.

Despite what they say, Government DON'T create real jobs (and I don't mean Civil Service jobs that create and produce NOTHING, just a cost to the country). Only businesses do, from Self Employed, through Micro, SME and big Corporations. Stifle those, and the economy will not thrive.

There will always be 'Fat Cats' - but I see no-one calling for the 'Fat Cats' of Sports (eg overpaid, underworked footballers, paying little tax probably ??) or entertainment (overpaid self-engrosed 'Celebrities', also avoiding tax ?) being called to task - actually, they are worshiped by most of the country. So let's not have one opinion for one and one for another.

No doubt some of my comments and opinions will get slated. So be it - we all have the right to an opinion in this country - but you can't say the same in some countries, where there is genuine poverty and suffering (even though there is often great wealth and resources, just that it is kept by corrupt ruling groups).


Anyway, a few things to ponder over, so off my soap box now ... .

Thank you for writing what I wanted to say in a way I never could have

Savvybuyer

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A v M

Womble dated yesterday

Thanks!:T Usual position...turns up three hours after closing time:(:rotfl:.

We have just tomorrow(:() - presumably on old and new:rotfl:.

HILLBERN

purpledonkey wrote: »

Make it a tea and I'm in

TEA IT IS, but might go for a glass of wine now:T:T

ilovegreatdanes

rockyrose wrote: »

Its going to be a sad sad sad sad day in this house when I use the last of this stash.............I don't know whether to use it or bury it with a full military ceremony....:(

You could bury it at sea by the scenic route or send it to drop the kids off at coast :rotfl:

TrulyMadly

rockyrose wrote: »

For anyone wondering...the new apg is still only comp to M......just in case anyone was wondering..

I was just wondering about that Rose:rotfl:

It's worked intermittently fir me today.

EMMAP

Catch you guys on the flip side....x

rhyl_2

Behind the Sofa and Savvy - thanks for your posts and political observations. They are sensible and illuminating. Most interesting posts of the day for me

Savvybuyer

Bananababe wrote: »

Bikertov that post is tremendous. A full understanding of the position of politics and the role of the government.


Post of the week

Thankyou :T:T:T

A good post. Not full for me, as there's detail in response to that and then response to the detail, all of which I can see (and others can too), but (frown from yourselves I know!...:() I'm not getting into the debate. (Indeed, not just one debate but lots of different debates.)

No, I'm not, folks, sorry to disappoint you, but I'm not!:(:D:rotfl::cool: