How To Avoid Getting A "Parking Fine"

Herzlos

Dr._Shoe wrote: »

A customer is a person using the business immediately adjacent to the carpark I should imagine.

When do they stop being a customer? Once the transaction is done?

Say I go into a giant tesco and spend an hour shopping, then load up my car and pop across the road into another shop for something for 2 minutes.
Is that reasonable or unreasonable? I could spend that 2 minutes checking my hair & makeup before I start the car.

Dr._Shoe wrote: »

Most of the food stores only use PPCs where there are other shopping destinations and/or pay carparks nearby. They resent providing free parking for their rivals and see the use of PPCs as a cost effective way (for them) of preventing the loss of genuine shoppers owing to the lack of parking spaces. This is my point.

I can't think of a single supermarket with a car park anywhere that doesn't have signage up now.

Dr._Shoe

morfio wrote: »

I personally think if people are seeking legitimate advice to go through this 'hassle' they probably, rightly, believe they have been unfairly penalised. I would suspect those who do not would either ignore the ticket or pay it.

Except for some who actually brag about how many tickets they've got...

morfio

@Mike172

If its UKPC they only issue up to 7 tickets per vehicle I think.

In my experience PPCs do ticket the residences to keep up their quotas, which is shameful.

morfio

Dr._Shoe wrote: »

Except for some who actually brag about how many tickets they've got...

Why should it matter if people choose to brag, or not, it is their choice to do so.

ManxRed

Dr._Shoe wrote: »

Yes but they don't charge £15 or £20. The problem is then you'd find that they wouldn't find it cost effective to employ staff to plod round the carparks on a regular basis to find the few errant parkers and then they'd stop patrolling. Then what would happen is that people might take the risk thinking that if they get caught once a year then it would be cheaper in the long run than using the now empty PADCP nextdoor.

So then, if the landowner really values the land and the custom of genuine shoppers and feels there is a value in having that land policed, then they should pay an appropriate amount to the PPCs for providing this service. On top of the £15 - £20. That way, the profits of the PPC are no longer incentivised by dishing out tickets to all and sundry, regardless of whether they've actually broken any parking rules or not.

That way everyone's happy. Except the landowners are now having to pay for the value of their own car parks and the PPCs no longer buy yachts for their CEOs.

The only way to solve that, of course, is to target vulnerable motorists and get them to pay for everything. I don't think so, which is why I post on here.

Herzlos

Exactly. My first job was car park management. Like, proper car park management, with a hi-vis jacket and everything, controlling access to the disabled section of the car park and generally helping people find appropriate spaces. 1 or 2 teenagers on minimum wage and the problems are completely solved without having to upset any of your customers.

ManxRed

Dr._Shoe wrote: »

...then IF you get a ticket then the appeals process is for you isn't it?

So, once the PPC realises it's a genuine error, then they accept the appeal immediately and cancel the ticket? It'd be good to see some examples where that happens.

Or, in the case when they reject the appeal (always), then there's always those nice IPC people, who will tell the PPC to cancel the ticket. It'd be good to see some examples of that happening too.

Except it doesn't.

neil.net

Dr._Shoe wrote: »

Yes but if you're actually using the out-of-town shopping complex, you're parking in the correct bay, you're not abusing the disabled or parent and child bays then IF you get a ticket then the appeals process is for you isn't it? However, if you're just using the carpark because it's cheaper to park there and go into towm by bus then I think this is abusing the system. Having said that though, our local Sainsbury's has a huge carpark and people do exactly that (no PPC) but often drop in to get a few bits of shopping on the way back to their car!

If you look at my post, you'll see I was replying to your point about getting a message across. People can't get a message across if they have little choice other than to park their car where the literally need to park it.


As for the appeals process, it might be needed less if the PPC acted more reasonably in the first place.

Mike172

morfio wrote: »

@Mike172

If its UKPC they only issue up to 7 tickets per vehicle I think.

In my experience PPCs do ticket the residences to keep up their quotas, which is shameful.

Mines UKCPM. Ive had 6 (that I know of - most are the ghosting thing they do). We dont seem to get many people parking there now which is good but as you say they have a crack at the residents which causes people no end of stress. I try to explain to most of them how to fight the ticket but they think I am crackers half the time. .

Hot_Bring

Dr._Shoe wrote: »

Yes, we all know that we can run rings around parking companies just by applying the law, we can all get our "tickets" cancelled. But would it not make life a lot easier not to get them in the first place?

It is a common defence to say that they didn't see the signs because they were pointed at very slightly the wrong angle or were a couple of millimetres too high from the ground or only measured 1m x 1m instead of the minimum 1.1m. It is a common defence to say that they weren't aware that they weren't allowed to leave the site because the parking is for shoppers at the nearby shops only.

There is an adage that says:


Funny how no one seems to remember this adage when it comes to parking isn't it?

If there is a free carpark with loads of empty spaces but a pay and display nextdoor which is nearly full, which carpark would someone who likes an easy life park in? I'll give you a clue, it's not the free one.

Yes, we can fight tickets but I'd personally rather pay £2.00 per hour (or part thereof) to park than have the hassle of having to write appeals, dealing with debt collectors and going to court. This is all going to cost me far, far more than the few quid I spend on parking.

As a general rule of thumb, unless I actually have legitimate business parking in that particular carpark then I will park elsewhere and this is why I have never yet got a "parking fine".

I parked within the rules TWICE and got 'tickets' TWICE from G24 so your simple solution is a false one. Because of those two instances I've made it my mission to get as many people off these fake invoices as possible AND I've purposely picked up a number of other fake invoices for fun.

I've been physically threaterned by PPC employees, threaterned over the phone and via email. So forgive me if your utopia blinds you from the real facts that .... ALL PPCS ARE CORRUPT LYING BULLYING SCUMBAGS WHO GET EVERYTHING THEY DESERVE !!!!!