Manifest Stupidity V: Stitched up Like a Kipper

kabayiri

Interesting Telegraph journo on daily politics now. He asked a question in the UKIP launch of their manifesto, about black faces in the document (or lack of).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32321623

Really...has it come down to some kind of top trumps game, where we should count the number of black disabled lesbians in a manifesto and award a score accordingly?

All we end up with is "documents for all" ... so watered down they have no long term vision.

Cyberman60

Generali wrote: »

How do I play to the lowest common denominator please?

This line you opened with and the inference, which was totally unnecessary. Too many of us have been tarred over the years as racists purely for wanting to control immigration and look after our own first, just as other sensible countries do.


'I expect it to be long on almost-racism and short on love but we'll see.'

kabayiri

Cyberman60 wrote: »

The Barnett formula will certainly end when they gain independence, so we may as well give them a taster ASAP !! :T

Scotland should be given a balanced share of the UK state spend based on population. Tough medicine. It will make them leaner and fitter, better equipped to face the world as an independent state.

In fact, it would keep SNP happy because they would have ammunition aplenty for years to moan at those Westminster nasty types.

Cyberman60

kabayiri wrote: »

Interesting Telegraph journo on daily politics now. He asked a question in the UKIP launch of their manifesto, about black faces in the document (or lack of).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32321623

Really...has it come down to some kind of top trumps game, where we should count the number of black disabled lesbians in a manifesto and award a score accordingly?

All we end up with is "documents for all" ... so watered down they have no long term vision.

Indeed, the PC brigade such as the BBC always have to have the extreme minority represented. The fact was though that there were those ethnic minorities supporting UKIP in the assembly who were rightly infuriated. Inferred racism is extremely annoying when it is blatantly unjust, especially when those very people in the media have been responsible quite often for 'racism' against the majority in this country. :mad:

Generali

Cyberman60 wrote: »

This line you opened with and the inference, which was totally unnecessary. Too many of us have been tarred over the years as racists purely for wanting to control immigration and look after our own first, just as other sensible countries do.


'I expect it to be long on almost-racism and short on love but we'll see.'

**sigh** I was completely fair with the manifesto. I stated that I had a certain opinion as to what it would contain.

To answer Vivatifosi's question from yesterday, if I had no clue about the history or rhetoric of any party then I'd be pretty close to voting UKIP although would probably end up with the Tories.

Being anti-immigration isn't the same thing as being racist but there really is a huge cross-over between the two groups for fairly obvious reasons.

danothy

Generali wrote: »

Being anti-immigration isn't the same thing as being racist but there really is a huge cross-over between the two groups for fairly obvious reasons.

From what I have seen, the intersection is occupied by people who make justifications for an anti-immigration policy in order to manage population size, but apparently do not want to apply that hypothetical management methodology to a native population should it grow on its own.

CLAPTON

danothy wrote: »

From what I have seen, the intersection is occupied by people who make justifications for an anti-immigration policy in order to manage population size, but apparently do not want to apply that hypothetical management methodology to a native population should it grow on its own.

This is totally illogical.

Just because there is have a problem already, that doesn't mean that deliberately making it worse is a good idea.

michaels

I thought the points based system was to allow us to favour commonwealth immigrants (often not white) over European immigrants (predominantly white) - is this the sort of racism that is being objected to?

Low skilled European immigration is good for the vast majority of the population as it holds down wages for the lowest paid and thus holds down prices for everyone else (the majority). Of course it is not such good news for the lowest paid. Surely it is no coincidence that Carney's forward guidance with respect to unemployment at 7% being a level that might trigger wage increases and thus interest rate increses turned out to be much too pessimistic?

There are of course many reasons that I do not support UKIP but in terms of what they state their policies to be they would not appear to be racist and they do address an economic certainty as regards the prospects for the low paid that other parties pretend does not exist.

Graham_Devon

kabayiri wrote: »

Interesting Telegraph journo on daily politics now. He asked a question in the UKIP launch of their manifesto, about black faces in the document (or lack of).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32321623

Really...has it come down to some kind of top trumps game, where we should count the number of black disabled lesbians in a manifesto and award a score accordingly?

All we end up with is "documents for all" ... so watered down they have no long term vision.

Was humbling to then see the black UKIP members in the audience all stand up to show themselves.

Dunno who it was asking the question. Whoever it was, their question trying to humiliate UKIP failed miserably. The only person they humiliated was themselves and the organisation they work for.

kabayiri

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Was humbling to then see the black UKIP members in the audience all stand up to show themselves.

Dunno who it was asking the question. Whoever it was, their question trying to humiliate UKIP failed miserably. The only person they humiliated was themselves and the organisation they work for.

He was a Telegraph journo I think, appearing on the Daily Politics today.

He tried a retrofit justification today - that he was offering Mr Farage to make in informed response. Truth is, he was trying to be clever with a hint of snideness and it didn't work out as planned.