Pre-built showers/enclosures

k3lvc

OK - next question - tile or shower panel ?

andyhop

k3lvc wrote: »

OK - next question - tile or shower panel ?

Shower panels always look like what the are....plastic

Tiles every time

Furts

andyhop wrote: »

A days works to re-tile and fit a new enclosure??? are you kidding folk on?

99% of enclosures we get called to leak due to poor fitting. The tray must be fully sealed with silicone before the enclosure is fitted , it needs drying time before fitting the enclosure and final perimeter seal

Think of this like a building site. The tradesman turns up at 7.30. The stripping out may have been done by OP. Large format tiles do not take long. Sealant can dry but nobody says "that sealant is drying for the next 24 hours so I will pay you to hang around". The tradesman can go off and work in another job then come back when appropriate. Likewise if the tiles are not ready for the enclosure to fit back to them. It should be possible to do the job in 8-9 working hours.

What the customer pays is betwen them and the tradesman. I am simply giving an indication of the time involved.

andyhop

Furts wrote: »

Think of this like a building site. The tradesman turns up at 7.30. The stripping out may have been done by OP. Large format tiles do not take long. Sealant can dry but nobody says "that sealant is drying for the next 24 hours so I will pay you to hang around". The tradesman can go off and work in another job then come back when appropriate. Likewise if the tiles are not ready for the enclosure to fit back to them. It should be possible to do the job in 8-9 working hours.

What the customer pays is betwen them and the tradesman. I am simply giving an indication of the time involved.

So 3 visits just so the customer can save a few quid.... I don't know anyone that will jump between jobs .... Or go to work for half a days pay

I'd estimate more like £800 in labour and building materials

Rolandtheroadie

Used shower panels in a wee shower room we have in one of the bedrooms. 3 x panels (£225), 2 x internal corners (£18) and 15 tubes sanitary silicone (£25ish). £4 for a plumbing connection and £50 for a new shower (on special in B&Q, a lot better than the old one).
Oh and £8 for a new saw.

Tiles every time? Sure, I like a tile, but like the kitchen splashback, plastic's zero maintenance and a lot easier/quicker for doing it yourself.

Could have done it in a day (plus drying/setting time) but done it over 2 so SWMBO didnt think it was too easy.

thescouselander

andyhop wrote: »

It makes me laugh where people say tanking isn't needed in residential property. We constantly tear out bathrooms that fail due to water ingress through the grout. Neither the adhesive or grout is water proof , the term manufactures use mean it won't break down under water but will allow water to pass

I suppose if you're called regularly to sort out these sorts of problems you're not in a good position to make a judgement since you only see examples of bad work where things have gone wrong.

The fact is for every bathroom you have to sort out there will be thousands of others that have not been tanked but which have no problems.

andyhop

thescouselander wrote: »

I suppose if you're called regularly to sort out these sorts of problems you're not in a good position to make a judgement since you only see examples of bad work where things have gone wrong.

The fact is for every bathroom you have to sort out there will be thousands of others that have not been tanked but which have no problems.

It's not bad workmanship....it's bad practice. Times move on yet we still see people using PVA or plastering before tiles. We then have a guy above that's used 15 tubes of sanitary sealant to glue boards to the wall....silicone is a sealer and not a adhesive , that's what gripfill and sticks like is for

There's 2 type of installer, those that think they know , use materials on price and take the money and run and then the type that buy on experience, fitting to the highest standard possible , knowing that when one leaves they need not return

Furts

andyhop wrote: »

So 3 visits just so the customer can save a few quid.... I don't know anyone that will jump between jobs .... Or go to work for half a days pay

I'd estimate more like £800 in labour and building materials

A local, competent, handyman would do this. Plus the work would be well within his capabilities. Indeed, the customer may have other work for the handyman to do instead of paying the installer to hang around doing nothing. This might be pressure washing a patio, or easing internal doors, or paint a ceiling...anything really.

Whilst I am not meaning to be critical of your professionalism (which is refreshing to see in this day and age) it is not highly skilled rocket science to fix on wall tiles and screw together a shower enclosure.

Hence I have given a figure for labour, and a time, that I consider fair and reasonable. For all your comments to critise me down you have not given a labour cost, nor have you given a time. Instead you have quoted an all in price - this is not a break down of figures.

andyhop

Furts wrote: »

A local, competent, handyman would do this. Plus the work would be well within his capabilities. Indeed, the customer may have other work for the handyman to do instead of paying the installer to hang around doing nothing. This might be pressure washing a patio, or easing internal doors, or paint a ceiling...anything really.

Whilst I am not meaning to be critical of your professionalism (which is refreshing to see in this day and age) it is not highly skilled rocket science to fix on wall tiles and screw together a shower enclosure.

Hence I have given a figure for labour, and a time, that I consider fair and reasonable. For all your comments to critise me down you have not given a labour cost, nor have you given a time. Instead you have quoted an all in price - this is not a break down of figures.

A days works is well off even for the highly skilled, your estimate is seriously flawed

Shower tray to be fitted , correctly supported on plywood base or bonded to floor with rapid set adhesive - 3hr drying time

Prep walls, plasterboard will be wet/ruined . Strip back to stud easy, back to brick would need to be dot and dabbed...you can't fix tiles until adhesive cures

Wall tiling . Rapid set 3hrs to cure, grout 2 hours to appy/set / clean

Overnight for grout to set, silicone won't stick to damp surfaces

2.5days work £600, rest is building materials

It's rare we do partial refits, but have done a handful in the last few years and the average price for shower out, shower back in with new tray, enclosure and shower is approx £2400 ....prices quoted and accepted

k3lvc

andyhop wrote: »

It's rare we do partial refits, but have done a handful in the last few years and the average price for shower out, shower back in with new tray, enclosure and shower is approx £2400 ....prices quoted and accepted

Thanks - thats exactly what I was after