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Carrier Bag use in Scotland
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The one that confuses me is if I buy 4 bottles of wine I can either pay 5p for a plastic or paper carrier bag but can take them in a cardboard bottle carrier free :rotfl:
Can takeaways not use the food hygiene exemption ?
No. That only applies to food that is stored directly in plastic bags. Takeaway food is generally in some sort of container (foil, plastic or whatever).
The exemption is meant for products that cannot be transported without some sort of bag - mince from the butcher - and that sort of thing.0 -
Hi,
just phone up and get it delivered.0 -
Well, you'll be glad to hear that a similar charge will soon be introduced in England. So wherever you live in the UK, it'll cost you if either forget to bring or can't be bothered to re-use your own.
As for being part of the so-called nanny state, it scarcely qualifies. No-one is stopping you buying as many new plastic bags as you like. All that's happening is that there is legislation to encourage people to re-use them rather than waste scarce resources. This may not have any impact on someone such as yourself, but it is a little nudge which has an impact on a large number of people.
I suspect you will find that the cost of the plastic bags was simply rolled up into the cost of goods anyway, so they weren't really free; now you only pay for what you use, the opposite of a nanny state!
I beg to differ. The legislation leaves little room for compromise. The minimum charge is 5p whether that's a spit-through or something more substantial. It's yet another piece of red tape conveniently dressed up as a "green" policy.
See also: indoor smoking ban
Minimum alcohol pricing
Plain cigarette packets
Mandatory calorie contents on alcohol labels
Banning of alcohol multibuy promotions.
Etc.
The SNP seem to love all of these little encroachments into our lives, little erosions of liberties that mean very little until you start to add them all up.
Once they've done with alcohol and cigarettes, what next? Junk food? Running with scissors?
When over 1% of your population are regular methadone users, do you not think the country has bigger issues than stopping asda sell 3 bottles of wine for £10?
Like I said, thank god the YES camp didn't win. You want to know why Scots die younger? They want to. The country is sh*t.0 -
See also: indoor smoking ban
Minimum alcohol pricing
Plain cigarette packets
Mandatory calorie contents on alcohol labels
Banning of alcohol multibuy promotions.
Etc.
Like I said, thank god the YES camp didn't win. You want to know why Scots die younger? They want to. The country is sh*t.
Jeez! Thats some rant.
I don't know anyone who doesnt think the indoor smoking ban is great.
5p for a bag. Why are you getting so upset about it?
Do you really want a government who won't take measures to try to improve the health & wellbeing of its citizens?
p.s. Yes Voter. Love Scotland. Hope not to die young0 -
Jeez! Thats some rant.
I don't know anyone who doesnt think the indoor smoking ban is great.
5p for a bag. Why are you getting so upset about it?
Do you really want a government who won't take measures to try to improve the health & wellbeing of its citizens?
p.s. Yes Voter. Love Scotland. Hope not to die young
What part of the gradual erosion of liberties appeals to you the most ?0 -
Funny: I thought I was gaining some liberties: the liberty not to inhale someone's second hand smoke in public places; the liberty not to pick my way past people drunk on too-cheap alcohol; the liberty to breathe clean air; the liberty to pay fewer taxes if less medical care is needed because people are healthier.
There are plenty of examples of liberties being 'lost' in the interest of the greater good. It's not a simplistic question of one thing being lost but the overall impact. For example, we lost the liberty to own slaves some years ago. No doubt a proto-geerex moaned then about the terrible erosion of his rights!
And I'm hoping that my children and grandchildren will have the liberty to inhabit a planet with a working environment, though it will take more than a few pence for a plastic bag for that. Also, the grandchildren are entirely theoretical at the moment.
As for your rant geerex, if you live in Scotland and hate it so much, why don't you emigrate to somewhere more to your taste. And if you don't live in Scotland, why do you care? Surely if the vote had been Yes you'd have been well rid of us.0 -
Funny: I thought I was gaining some liberties: the liberty not to inhale someone's second hand smoke in public places; the liberty not to pick my way past people drunk on too-cheap alcohol; the liberty to breathe clean air; the liberty to pay fewer taxes if less medical care is needed because people are healthier.
There are plenty of examples of liberties being 'lost' in the interest of the greater good. It's not a simplistic question of one thing being lost but the overall impact. For example, we lost the liberty to own slaves some years ago. No doubt a proto-geerex moaned then about the terrible erosion of his rights!
And I'm hoping that my children and grandchildren will have the liberty to inhabit a planet with a working environment, though it will take more than a few pence for a plastic bag for that. Also, the grandchildren are entirely theoretical at the moment.
As for your rant geerex, if you live in Scotland and hate it so much, why don't you emigrate to somewhere more to your taste. And if you don't live in Scotland, why do you care? Surely if the vote had been Yes you'd have been well rid of us.
So, your liberty is based on the removal of the liberties of others?
I don't smoke, I don't drink much, but I resent the interference of the government in every facet of my life.
Yes, I do live in Scotland. I see the destruction caused by alcohol, drugs, smoking (to a lesser extent). The problem with Scotland is that the country seems to be full of idiots. If there weren't as many morons, perhaps we wouldn't need to be nannied.
Why don't I move? Good question. Islamification isn't really happening here, thank God, people actually soeak English (ish). The water's great, scenery is nice, the air is clean. Plus, it's easy to get a well paying job.
It's still a pathetic country though.0 -
So, your liberty is based on the removal of the liberties of others?
I don't smoke, I don't drink much, but I resent the interference of the government in every facet of my life.
No, but some liberties are based on preventing others doing what they like.
This may begin to resemble a Monty Python script, but do you really resent all government interference? You hate using the roads, the currency, the police, fire, and ambulance services, the NHS, the system of laws which enable ordinary living, trade etc to continue?Yes, I do live in Scotland. I see the destruction caused by alcohol, drugs, smoking (to a lesser extent). The problem with Scotland is that the country seems to be full of idiots. If there weren't as many morons, perhaps we wouldn't need to be nannied.
Why don't I move? Good question. Islamification isn't really happening here, thank God, people actually soeak English (ish).
But not, apparently, spell it!The water's great, scenery is nice, the air is clean. Plus, it's easy to get a well paying job.
It's still a pathetic country though.
Why is the water clean? Partly (not entirely of course) because of laws - enforced by the state - stop people polluting or abstracting it, and insist that drinking water is of a certain quality. Similarly the air is clean partly because people are prevented from burning dirty coal, and there are laws about what factories and businesses are set up where.
I've lived in countries with less government than the UK and the relative anarchy this generates is by no means preferable.
This doesn't mean I'm in favour of all new restrictions or laws. In fact, I think some of the new anti-drinking laws are possibly not the right approach, though I thoroughly approve of the smoking in public places ban - why should I be forced to breathe other people's carcinogens?
You agree that there is an alcohol problem in Scotland. What would you do about it? It is after all, costing you a fair bit of money in taxes, though also gaining some through sales taxes (another of those pesky government interventions), so it does affect you. I doubt you can stop people being 'morons' - in your eyes - though.
But suggesting that all government is an unacceptable restriction on liberties is simplistic and, if there were none, you would have an unworkable society.
I love Scotland, it's a great country in many respects, including for some - but not all - of the reasons you've mentioned. We are lucky enough to live in a country where democracy works, and you are perfectly at liberty to campaign to change specific laws you think are wrong, including the smoking ban, drinking laws, speed limits, charges for plastic bags, whatever. You would have to come up with other solutions to public health, traffic management, pollution and climate change issues though.
It's a shame you feel Scotland is a pathetic country. Is there anywhere you would prefer?0
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