Who will win the UK election ?

Generali

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

A not implausible scenario is as follows....

Some UKIP support goes home to Tory at the last minute as the prospect of Red Ed gaining power sinks in, this gets the Tories to 295, Clegg and Co hold 25 seats as local Lib Dem support is stronger than the universal swing suggests, and the DUP throw in their 8 seats.

A 3 way coalition with a super slim majority at 328 seats held....

And neither UKIP nor the ScotNats are involved.

Another is that Labour spend an hour in a room with the SNP and then decide that they can't form a Government. Labour or Tory (whichever is the largest party) rules as a minority Government with the informal support of the moderates from the other party possibly with a sweetener like Milliband gets Deputy PM or Osborne stays on as Chancellor or something.

I simply don't understand this belief that Lab and Cons can't form a coalition. They have before so why not again? Surely there is more in common between two parties that believe in Capitalism and unionism than a centre left and hard left party one of which is Nationalist and the other Unionist.

Generali

TickersPlaysPop wrote: »

We need the election system to include:

"None of the Above" on the ballot paper

Plus... compulsory voting

If the majority vote "none of the above" .... then we have a re election.

Why do leftists always want to force people to do stuff? Do you really think that forcing people to vote will make them engage more with politics? If anything it would put people off even more.

vivatifosi

Generali wrote: »

Why do leftists always want to force people to do stuff? Do you really think that forcing people to vote will make them engage more with politics? If anything it would put people off even more.

You're ideally placed to see both sides on this one Gen.

I'm not convinced by compulsory voting, but I do think that in this day and age there should be more to elections than a pencil hanging on a string and hand counting pieces of paper. Even the hanging chad machines are dinosaurs in terms of today's technology. We ought to be able to come up with something a bit more inventive by now... enabling a wider choice of options to vote rather than enforcing the vote.

michaels

Looking like Lab/SNP to me with lab desperate enough for power to bend over and swallow when Salmon asks them to.

It is strange, to me labour are a disaster because they still don't understand that borrowing = deferred taxation but more voters support them than the other parties because they promise to spend more.

Still more and more of the financial decisions will be made in Brussels so perhaps it is like local govt now, having a carp one is inconvenient but not life changing.

antrobus

Generali wrote: »

Why do leftists always want to force people to do stuff? Do you really think that forcing people to vote will make them engage more with politics? If anything it would put people off even more.

It's part of the general leftist delusion. They believe that all those people who don't vote are all disillusioned radicals who just need a kick up the arris to at least put their cross against the name of the Labour candidate and get things moving.

antrobus

vivatifosi wrote: »

...I'm not convinced by compulsory voting, ..

Greece has compulsory voting. At least, I believe it's compulsory until your 71st birthday. Yet fewer people voted in the last Greece election that voted in our last GE.

A number of countries have 'compulsory voting', but most of them shy away from actually putting in measures that make that compulsion effective. After all, what are you going to do? Fine people for not voting? Imprison them? Subject them to ridicule of social media? Smack them in the face with a wet fish?

purch

I think we will end up with a 'Grand' Coalition between Con/Lab with a few lowly jobs offered to others

Cameron will remain as PM, but the main issue/sticking point will be who gets into #11.

Generali

vivatifosi wrote: »

You're ideally placed to see both sides on this one Gen.

I'm not convinced by compulsory voting, but I do think that in this day and age there should be more to elections than a pencil hanging on a string and hand counting pieces of paper. Even the hanging chad machines are dinosaurs in terms of today's technology. We ought to be able to come up with something a bit more inventive by now... enabling a wider choice of options to vote rather than enforcing the vote.

Aussies are at one with compulsory voting, no doubt about it. You hear the odd grumble about it but not voting is definitely Unaustralian. People joke about how I'm lucky that I don't have to vote but I end up manning the sausage sizzle with the other foreigners (elections take place in schools and they all do a sausage bbq to raise money to the extent that one school put up an ad at their sausage sizzle saying, "The Smell of Democracy").

Compulsory voting has absolutely not led to engagement in politics in Australia, it's hard to find a less engaged country. The Man on the Black Stump Omnibus doesn't only hate politics he treats with disdain and mistrust anyone who discusses politics unless it has an immediate and direct impact on their lives.

Compulsory voting has really just become a way for schools to sell sausages outside their normal demographic.

Voting at home is a great idea for the ethnic gang boss who wants to force someone into council or Parliament.

If politicians want to get the vote out they maybe should consider why nobody gives a damn about what they have to say. UKIP and Green are jokers but could well end up with a fifth of the vote between them. Ok, some of that fifth will be racists and lunatics but many will be people that believe in democracy but hate what's being put up before them.

antrobus

Generali wrote: »

Aussies are at one with compulsory voting, no doubt about it. You hear the odd grumble about it but not voting is definitely Unaustralian. ....

Australians who don't want to vote, appear to adopt the very simple tactic of not being on the electoral register in the first place.:)

Generali

purch wrote: »

I think we will end up with a 'Grand' Coalition between Con/Lab with a few lowly jobs offered to others

Cameron will remain as PM, but the main issue/sticking point will be who gets into #11.

If it's a National Government then the 3 jobs may well end up split between LD, Cons and Lab with the biggest party getting PM.