Section 59 - Anti social driving

maninthestreet

Retrogamer wrote: »

Since the details they put on the section 59 are wrong, won't that mean if they are pulled over again and the police check their registration for a section 59, then it won't show up?

If they check the driver's details, the section 59 warning will be uncovered.
Personally, I'm not happy with the police having these powers as 'prosecutor, judge and jury', with no format right of appeal - it's seizure of someone's lawful property without right to a trial or an appeal process.

jeallen01

Does a Section 59 have to be reported to your insurance company?

atrixblue.-MFR-.

jeallen01 wrote: »

Does a Section 59 have to be reported to your insurance company?

Not unless specifically asked for in the quotation process or in the terms and conditions of an existing policy.

Joe_Horner

atrixblue.-MFR-. wrote: »

Not unless specifically asked for in the quotation process or in the terms and conditions of an existing policy.

Which they'd be hard-pressed to justify doing, seeing as (like maninthestreet points out) they're effectively an extrajudicial allegation with no right of appeal or challenge.

Johno100

Joe_Horner wrote: »

Which they'd be hard-pressed to justify doing, seeing as (like maninthestreet points out) they're effectively an extrajudicial allegation with no right of appeal or challenge.

Well if the Admiral Group can ask about Speed Awareness Courses attended then I wouldn't put anything beyond them.

rev_henry

Johno100 wrote: »

Well if the Admiral Group can ask about Speed Awareness Courses attended then I wouldn't put anything beyond them.

I've always wondered how they can possibly find out if your lying on that one? Not that I've ever done so, or had cause to do so.

Johno100

rev_henry wrote: »

I've always wondered how they can possibly find out if your lying on that one? Not that I've ever done so, or had cause to do so.

They can't because they have no access to the database that is used by most forces, I believe it is called NDORS. I suppose as with many things they rely on individuals dropping themselves in it if they make a claim.

Joe_Horner

Johno100 wrote: »

Well if the Admiral Group can ask about Speed Awareness Courses attended then I wouldn't put anything beyond them.

Agreed, although at least with a speed awareness course you've (at least in theory) admitted the offence in order to be on one. With these notices, all it takes is a "respectable" neighbour or two out to cause you grief for whatever reason and, if the attending police decide your face (or car) fits the expected profile for deserving one then there's nothing you can do.

Astronaughtwannabe

Well having a face that doesn't fit isn't reasonable belief that a driver has committed an offence now, is it?

Aretnap

rev_henry wrote: »

I've always wondered how they can possibly find out if your lying on that one? Not that I've ever done so, or had cause to do so.

Insurance companies usually find out about such things because people tell them.

"Certainly sir I'll just put through the details of your claim. Just to check a few details, have you been on a speed awareness course in the last 5 years"

"Yes. Hang on, oh !!!!!!, I mean no."

See also (a) the people who have declared no accidents who ring ip their nsirers to make a claim and say in passing "I can't believe it's happened again so soon" and (b) the people who have their cars insured for social use only who yell down the phone "you have to fix my car faster than that! I need it for work!"

The lies we tell are easily forgotten. The truth takes no special effort to remember.