Harlesden Plaza PCN: advice needed

OrdinaryPerson

Hurtlocker wrote: »

HI OP - I got your PM but thought I'd reply here. I know that LCP's initial rebuttal can seem rather overwhelming but stand firm. I'm currently waiting for POPLA decision which should be imminent.

You can see my case here:


It is so important that we contest these as this is the only way that parking fines will come down to a reasonable level - currently for every 3 people who contest, 97 don't - safe to assume the more vulnerable are swooped up in the parking operators' extortionate practices.

Your "boss" is right though - it does cost us more in lost productivity to contest! see: .

So LCP now say to HL that their labour cost is £105 instead of £35 in lynneh's case. They'll probably do the same in my case. How do I argue against that?

Coupon-mad, can you advise please?

OrdinaryPerson

Submitted my POPLA appeal 2 weeks ago. Disappointed and worried that Beavis lost his appeal. Would that mean NGPEOL argument no longer applies?

The Court of Appeal judges say that ParkingEye's charge of £85 is not extravagant. Does that mean all charges of £85 are not extravagant? Or does that only apply to PPC like ParkingEye who don't have any income other than this charge? What about LCP, who probably has a lease to the car park and gets an income from it? Is their charge of £100 extravagant or not? Does it have to be GPEOL?

OrdinaryPerson

BTW, LCP has sent me the evidence pack and they say:

Our estimate of loss is a sum which has arisen and flowed directly from the issuance of this charge and is a genuine pre-estimate of loss. Accordingly, our breakdown is as follows: ITEM COST DESCRIPTION
DVLA Lookup £2.50 Kadoe enquiry.
Postage and Consumables £1.41 Postage, printing, and back-office cost per PCN.
Labour costs £105.00 Labour cost for THIS notice and subsequent appeals.
Non-payment on the date of event £2.00 Allowing for the 10 minutes grace period, the tariff is £2 for an hour.
Total: £110.91

Umkomaas

My calculations would be:

DVLA Lookup £2.50
Postage and Consumables £1.41
Non-payment on the date of event £2.00

That's about it £5.91.

Labour costs (whatever the undisclosed breakdown) are committed whether or not the parking event took place.

Ça ne fait rien.

Or, in Franglish, San fairy Ann (whoever she is!).

OrdinaryPerson

Yes, we can say that they have already hired their staff so they have already incurred labour costs whether or not the parking event took place, but that argument is not water tight.

They might say that the need to deal with non-payment forced them to hire that many people for that many hours, so there is a staff cost to them that flows from non-payment. The point is Popla might accept this argument.

I think we need to argue that claiming around £105 for 3 hours is too much. That's over £200/day, £1000/week, 50K/year. I bet their staff cost is less than half that.

Umkomaas wrote: »

My calculations would be:

DVLA Lookup £2.50
Postage and Consumables £1.41
Non-payment on the date of event £2.00

That's about it £5.91.

Labour costs (whatever the undisclosed breakdown) are committed whether or not the parking event took place.

Ça ne fait rien.

Or, in Franglish, San fairy Ann (whoever she is!).