Parking Charge Notice from APCOA (Birmingham Airport)

jameslane

Hi guys, I was just writing my appeals letter to the APCOA and notice in the newbie thread it says the following:

If you have to appeal as driver (e.g. if yours is a company or hire car) then of course remove the wording about 'not naming the driver' and anything about the POFA 2012 which only protects keepers.

So should I appeal as the driver? As my car is a lease/company car. If so, what parts should I remove/edit from the template letter? And should include my name and postal address in the appeal letter (so far they have only sent a letter to the car lease company). Thanks

Redx

no , appeal as KEEPER , tells you this in post #5 so try reading the replies

yes include a name and a serviceable postal address, plus PCN number

DONT BE STUPID ENOUGH TO GIVE AWAY WHO WAS DRIVING

if sending by post, get a free certificate of posting from the Post Office (not recorded)

jameslane

Thanks so much Redx, so in that case is there anything at all I should not include or edit from the template letter in the first post of the newbie thread? Not sure if it makes a difference that it was at Birmingham Airport, or that my car is a lease car.

Redx

remove the rant part if you wish, leave the other stuff in , DO NOT ADMIT WHO THE DRIVER WAS, no inferring it , no saying it , nothing, appealing as KEEPER which is why the template letter says KEEPER

no explanations, a no comment interview , not sure you are "getting" this process at all

an airport is not relevant land for keeper liability, so the thing APCOA want most in life is to know the DRIVERS DETAILS

they also have to prove their case too

so use the template letter "as is" , or just remove the "rant" part , then send it , with pcn number, name and address , nothing else , no admittance of DRIVER details, and create a paper trail with proof of posting (free from the PO)

nothing about this part is difficult, yet you seem to be making it so, sorry to say

posts #2 and #5 and #10 told you exactly what to do

jameslane

Sure I understand, thanks Redx I just didn't want to give them any excuses if I included the wrong thing. The rant part is just the "[FONT=&quot]Your clients should be thoroughly ashamed" paragraph right?[/FONT]

bod1467

The paragraph immediately below point e) is the "rant" bit.

The_Deep

Did you actually drop someone off/pick someone up, or did you stop to retrieve your driving glasses, which had fallen into the footwell?

Redx

"their" excuse may be that they refuse the challenge as you did not receive the pcn and did not name the driver, that is their problem

any issues they have with this are their problem

the lease company should have named you as the KEEPER/HIRER in their non-existent challenge to APCOA , they have failed to do this, which is THEIR problem

all you can do is follow the advice given in here , if the PPC refuse to deal with you its not YOUR problem, its the lease company`s problem

if your challenge is refused, plus you get a popla code, you make a strong popla appeal using previous appeal examples for that airport from here (there will be loads of them as you are not the first)

if its quashed at popla, its game over

learn the game, play it, win by being smarter than the lease company and apcoa

at the moment you are a pawn in this, ideally one that is not daft enough to name the driver on an airport appeal, nor infer who was driving

you are the hirer of the vehicle (the keeper) - KEEP it that way

BUT , if posting, you need the free cert of posting in case they use the old "never received any appeal" excuse , so that you can complain to the BPA down the line with copies of paperwork and copies of proof of posting

we dont tell you these things just to make our post count higher

jameslane

The_Deep wrote: »

Did you actually drop someone off/pick someone up, or did you stop to retrieve your driving glasses, which had fallen into the footwell?

Ha. Does it matter...?

bod1467

To APCOA, no. But for the latter case you could legitimately argue a safety reason for stopping.