MSE news: Ogfem to be given powers to cut energy prices, under Labour plans

energyworker

mnw1888 wrote: »

So we have Government (Tory lead coalition) and Ofgem to blame but the energy companies like EON are lets say as pure as mother Theresa and blameless?


Nothing stopping energy companies offering SLC 22A.2(b) i.e. No standing charges tariff except greed and the PR machine that falls to acknowledge the energy companies are also to blame.

Could the thing stopping them be the need to balance low unit costs against largely fixed service delivery costs? I'd rather pay an average standing charge and slightly lower unit rates than have to pay higher unit rates to subsidise low users whose accounts cost the company just as much to run.

mnw1888

energyworker wrote: »

Could the thing stopping them be the need to balance low unit costs against largely fixed service delivery costs? I'd rather pay an average standing charge and slightly lower unit rates than have to pay higher unit rates to subsidise low users whose accounts cost the company just as much to run.

You are missing the point.
50 years ago only commercial properties attracted standing charges. Now the greed of the big 6 apply them to domestic tariff's .


They do not maintain the system so why pay the charge?
Remove standing charge now SLC 22A.3 (b) give that option/

mnw1888

mnw1888 wrote: »

You are missing the point.
50 years ago only commercial properties attracted standing charges. Now the greed of the big 6 apply them to domestic tariff's .


They do not maintain the system so why pay the charge?
Remove standing charge now SLC 22A.3 (b) give that option/

Just noted the typo from earlier. Should have stated SLC 22A.2(b) best have the whole words as well.


SLC 22A.2(a) where the Domestic Supply Contract or Deemed Contract is for a NonTime of Use Tariff:


(i) a single Standing Charge; and/or


(ii) a single Unit Rate; and


SLC 22A.2 (b) where the Domestic Supply Contract or Deemed Contract is for a Time of Use Tariff:


(i) a single Standing Charge; and/or


(ii) Time of Use Rates.


Hope this helps the genuine consumer to take an informed choice.


Lets get rid of the greed from the big 6 energy companies.

Nada666

mnw1888 wrote: »

You are missing the point.
50 years ago only commercial properties attracted standing charges. Now the greed of the big 6 apply them to domestic tariff's .


They do not maintain the system so why pay the charge?
Remove standing charge now SLC 22A.3 (b) give that option/

No, you are missing the point. You want 95 or 99% of customers to pay higher prices through unlimited pro rata "standing" charges so other customers do not have to pay a penny. Many of those affected by your craziness are those in most need (in both senses - need to use the energy and don't have much income).

No-one claims the current tariff structure is the best (other than idiots at Ofgem). Suppliers do not prefer them. Two-tier or three-tier* tariffs would be a far more sensible structure. But those are not permitted by Ofgem.

And, no, suppliers should not hive off one of their four tariffs as a zero-daily-standing-charge one. That, again, disadvantages most of their customers by leaving them with only three tariffs.

* where a small number of first tier units do not carry service charge surcharge before then reverting to traditional two-tier structure.

mnw1888

Nada666 wrote: »

No, you are missing the point. You want 95 or 99% of customers to pay higher prices through unlimited pro rata "standing" charges so other customers do not have to pay a penny. Many of those affected by your craziness are those in most need (in both senses - need to use the energy and don't have much income).


Reply I don’t really know what you’re talking about.
Now I know its you talking nonsense. The people at the low end of the scale( the hardest hit) are those the energy companies are ripping of twice, with standing charges and higher unit rates for pre payment meters, a double whammy!

No-one claims the current tariff structure is the best (other than idiots at Ofgem). Suppliers do not prefer them. Two-tier or three-tier* tariffs would be a far more sensible structure. But those are not permitted by Ofgem.


Reply Are you saying Ofgem is not fit for purpose? Are you saying the system 50 years ago was broken when we all paid the same, had no standing charges and no Ofgem? What supplier's want, is of no interest to me. Tax their excessive profits with a one of tax , that way we all win of course except those Energy companies failing to deal with their customer complaints. Lets call it the cost of doing business in the UK. Tax their excessive greed first?

Energy rates should be at the lowest in 5 years and they are not, because of that greed!
They are raking in money pretending to do maintenance when they do not.
The even fail to meet the IEE requirements on periodic testing. Shocking in every sense of the word.


And, no, suppliers should not hive off one of their four tariffs as a zero-daily-standing-charge one. That, again, disadvantages most of their customers by leaving them with only three tariffs.


Reply , Your sales pitch for the energy companies is like a broken record.Trolls often appear on a blog for a purpose which can be widely varied depending on which agenda they are pushing. I do not work for a PR company or am I in any way connect with any Energy company. Whom do you work for? Please do tell?




But I think you actually identify the most negative aspect of a troll viz: ‘Anyone who wants to argue with everything you say’. I invariably find they are unable to debate effectively and simply chant their mantra incessantly.






* where a small number of first tier units do not carry service charge surcharge before then reverting to traditional two-tier structure.

So in your eyes, who is to blame Government/ Ofgem/ the Energy companies and their greed/ the Energy Ombudsman?

There is no need for standing charges. No maintenance is ever, I repeat ever, carried out on meters, or cables or electrical testing in domestic property and in the UK only commercial properties are given Standing charges , only to do with reserve capacity in the HV or LV network and nothing to do with maintenance whatsoever.


It worked 50 years ago. Who's hidden agenda is standing charges, is it government or Energy Companies? SLC 22A.2(b) is the law, nothing stopping energy companies using it.

But lets have the 5 year low energy costs tomorrow in any event. I trust you of course agree to this with no further delay from the energy companies.

SlicedBananna

We have had dozens of energy reviews.

OFGEM is, like all regulators, useless.

The first thing an industry buys is it's regulator and OFGEM sold out at conception.

Better off to scrap OFGEM and renationalise energy.

SlicedBananna

Labour should scrap all the green taxes, ie the regressive tax which hit the poorest (the people fails to represent) which it brought in.

Also the practise of being charged £30 to find out he energy company prices should be scrapped.

The prices should be available on one piece of paper, available free.
on the web or BBC etc.. or on your last gas bill.

molerat

SlicedBananna wrote: »

Labour should scrap all the green taxes, ie the regressive tax which hit the poorest (the people fails to represent) which it brought in.

Also the practise of being charged £30 to find out he energy company prices should be scrapped.

The prices should be available on one piece of paper, available free.
on the web or BBC etc.. or on your last gas bill.

What on earth does that mean. Prices are freely available through the several switching sites.

victor2

mnw1888 wrote: »

There is no need for standing charges. No maintenance is ever, I repeat ever, carried out on meters, or cables or electrical testing in domestic property and in the UK only commercial properties are given Standing charges , only to do with reserve capacity in the HV or LV network and nothing to do with maintenance whatsoever.

Well, all the gas pipes in our estate were replaced about 18 months ago. Also, both my gas and electric meters were replaced within the last 10 years. When we first bought the house in the 80's, the gas pipe coming under our drive developed a leak. One phone call and engineers were there that night digging the drive up and replacing the pipe - and they repaired the drive afterwards. Total direct cost to us for all those jobs was zero. It was presumably covered by the standing charges (or equivalent) we had been paying and continued to pay.

mnw1888

victor2 wrote: »

Well, all the gas pipes in our estate were replaced about 18 months ago. Also, both my gas and electric meters were replaced within the last 10 years. When we first bought the house in the 80's, the gas pipe coming under our drive developed a leak. One phone call and engineers were there that night digging the drive up and replacing the pipe - and they repaired the drive afterwards. Total direct cost to us for all those jobs was zero. It was presumably covered by the standing charges (or equivalent) we had been paying and continued to pay.

nice to think the gas people do, but not electric companies,
no testing no thought to life expectancy etc


do not pay standing charges ever. Greed of utility companies ripping consumers off.