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Business purchase - SOGA?

Am I right in thinking that the SOGA does not apply to business purchases?


(I can't actually find anything that says this)


thanks
2.22kWp Solar PV system installed Oct 2010, Fronius IG20 Inverter, south facing (-5 deg), 30 degree pitch, no shading
Everything will be alright in the end so, if it’s not yet alright, it means it’s not yet the end
MFW #4 OPs: 2018 £866.89, 2019 £1322.33, 2020 £1337.07
2021 £1250.00, 2022 £1500.00, 2023 £1500, 2024 £1350
2025 target = £1200, YTD £9190
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  • wealdroam
    wealdroam Posts: 19,180 Forumite
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    Am I right in thinking that the SOGA does not apply to business purchases?


    (I can't actually find anything that says this)


    thanks

    You are wrong to think that.

    It is Part 5A of SoGA - Additional Rights of Buyer in Consumer Cases which only applies to consumer purchases. The rest of SoGA applies to business purchases.
  • jackieblack
    jackieblack Posts: 10,576 Forumite
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    So, if a business purchases an electrical item (approx. £200) on the recommendation of a seller which fails within a month of purchase, we can reject it as being not of satisfactory quality/not fit for purpose?


    We are being told we have to contact the manufacturer to claim under the warranty.
    2.22kWp Solar PV system installed Oct 2010, Fronius IG20 Inverter, south facing (-5 deg), 30 degree pitch, no shading
    Everything will be alright in the end so, if it’s not yet alright, it means it’s not yet the end
    MFW #4 OPs: 2018 £866.89, 2019 £1322.33, 2020 £1337.07
    2021 £1250.00, 2022 £1500.00, 2023 £1500, 2024 £1350
    2025 target = £1200, YTD £9190
    Quidquid Latine dictum sit altum videtur
  • wealdroam
    wealdroam Posts: 19,180 Forumite
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    So, if a business purchases an electrical item (approx. £200) on the recommendation of a seller which fails within a month of purchase, we can reject it as being not of satisfactory quality/not fit for purpose?


    We are being told we have to contact the manufacturer to claim under the warranty.
    Section 35 of SoGA covers acceptance.

    You will see that you have a reasonable time to examine the goods.
    I would suggest that acceptance has probably taken place, and therefore you have no right to reject the goods for a refund.

    You need to study your purchase contract to understand whether the seller has any responsibility.

    Does the manufacturer's warranty cover business purchases?
    Many don't.
  • Fosterdog
    Fosterdog Posts: 4,948 Forumite
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    What is the electrical item?
    Where has it been used and what has it been used for?
    Did the retailer know how/where it would be used when it was recommended?

    It would be reasonable to expect a £200 printer used in an office with 100 pages a week printed to last a lot longer and to be of a quality to cope with much more.

    It wouldn't be reasonable to expect a budget £200 washing machine to work well being used 10+ times a day in a hotel laundry room, it would be designed as a home use item to be used once a day or twice every other day and not designed for the workload it's being made to do.

    It also depends on whether it was purchased with any business conditions added to the sale or on a business account
  • bris
    bris Posts: 10,548 Forumite
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    A business purchase is contract law, you need to look at the terms of business to determine your rights. Consumers have statutory rights, B2B has terms that form the contract.


    You should also know that commercial use voids most warranties, check first.
  • frugal_mike
    frugal_mike Posts: 1,687 Forumite
    bris wrote: »
    Consumers have statutory rights, B2B has terms that form the contract.

    The Sale of Goods Act applies to all contracts. Only the parts that say they apply just to consumers are excluded.
  • jackieblack
    jackieblack Posts: 10,576 Forumite
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    It's a laminator, described as suitable for 'heavy office use' and used only maybe a dozen times. We bought it from one of our regular Office Supplies suppliers. We asked them to recommend a suitable machine, this is what they suggested.
    2.22kWp Solar PV system installed Oct 2010, Fronius IG20 Inverter, south facing (-5 deg), 30 degree pitch, no shading
    Everything will be alright in the end so, if it’s not yet alright, it means it’s not yet the end
    MFW #4 OPs: 2018 £866.89, 2019 £1322.33, 2020 £1337.07
    2021 £1250.00, 2022 £1500.00, 2023 £1500, 2024 £1350
    2025 target = £1200, YTD £9190
    Quidquid Latine dictum sit altum videtur
  • wealdroam
    wealdroam Posts: 19,180 Forumite
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    Is post#3 really saying "despite what the salesman said, we do not believe the thing is performing as well as we thought it would"?
  • bris wrote: »
    A business purchase is contract law, you need to look at the terms of business to determine your rights. Consumers have statutory rights, B2B has terms that form the contract.

    For someone who posts on these forums on a regular basis, you appear to have an extremely poor knowledge of what legislation applies to contracts of sale in the UK.
    Sale of Goods Act 1979

    Contracts to which Act applies.

    (1)This Act applies to contracts of sale of goods made on or after (but not to those made before) 1 January 1894.

    There is no overall exemption for the SOGA regarding B2B sales.
    There are some bits that only apply to B2C sales, but in general, the act applies to all contracts of sale.
  • jackieblack
    jackieblack Posts: 10,576 Forumite
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    edited 9 March 2015 at 8:44PM
    wealdroam wrote: »
    Is post#3 really saying "despite what the salesman said, we do not believe the thing is performing as well as we thought it would"?

    We said we needed a laminator that could cope with heavy usage. They recommended this make/model and told us this would be fine for what we needed. But it's already failed, despite not particularly heavy use.
    2.22kWp Solar PV system installed Oct 2010, Fronius IG20 Inverter, south facing (-5 deg), 30 degree pitch, no shading
    Everything will be alright in the end so, if it’s not yet alright, it means it’s not yet the end
    MFW #4 OPs: 2018 £866.89, 2019 £1322.33, 2020 £1337.07
    2021 £1250.00, 2022 £1500.00, 2023 £1500, 2024 £1350
    2025 target = £1200, YTD £9190
    Quidquid Latine dictum sit altum videtur
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