No country for young men — UK generation gap widens

purch

One question at a time shaggy.

Ask Dev two questions, and he will produce a long post answering neither.

shaggydoo

http://elitedaily.com/life/the-20-differences-between-the-baby-boomers-and-generation-y/

The 20 Differences Between The Baby Boomers And Generation-Y

We are an entitled generation that is used to being spoon fed everything while those before us worked hard for everything that they currently have.
The Baby Boomer generation understood that the world doesn’t owe them anything. No one is going to be there to spoon feed you through life and it is your responsibility to make something of yourself. They were a more independent generation, as they didn’t really have much of a crutch to lean on in comparison to our generation

Graham_Devon

purch wrote: »

One question at a time shaggy.

Ask Dev two questions, and he will produce a long post answering neither.

Maybe.

But at least I can actually answer a post within resorting to continual insults and put downs

Seems to have gone a bit crazy since Loughton made an appearance again. Just read 3 different threads where he's specifically referencing me and telling everyone "what I think" and having a go at "what he's inferred I think".... to much amusement of the usual's - and I'm not even active on the threads!

Don't quite know what's going on, all I do know is it appears, like on this thread, I've added a truth that people do not want to acknowledge, so this "make him look like a complete fool" starts up again.

There has been poverty in every decade. But there is no need to pretend that poverty was all people had in the 70's....it clearly wasn't. Theres also no need to pretend no one ever went out in the 70's and it's a new invention of the young today.

All those pictures confirm and all the support of the pictures, is huge confirmation bias. Another inconvenient truth.... so here, I'll hand a noose to the first person who feels like using it

Graham_Devon

shaggydoo wrote: »

Do you think that more people live in poverty now than in the 1970s? Do you think the quality of Britain's housing stock has improved since the 70s?

I don't know, but evidence would suggest more people live in poverty today than the 70's.. My issue was with the photos and the assumption that those type of scenarios were limited to the 70's, when they clearly still exist today.

Benefits, over the last couple of decades specifically have certainly helped mask severe poverty. The benefit state itself has seen a huge shift between the 70's and today. Secondly, some of your pictures do not actually represent poverty, they actually represent the blackouts as part of union strikes. We shouldn't confuse the two things.

Theres research into poverty out there....

We can see that levels of poverty have not changed that much since the 70's, and indeed, in some cases, such as the "breadline poor" has actually worsened since the 70's.

In terms of percentages, a higher percentage of people live in poverty today than in the 70's. So maybe that answers your question? There are more people living in poverty today than the 70's of which you have shown multiple pictures.

Core poor
12.3% of the population in the 70's
14.1% of the population in the 00's

Breadline poor
14.7% of the population in the 70's
18.3% of the population in the 00's

So by those measures, yes, more people live in poverty today than the 1970's.

This link is a 4 page PDF which gives all the data I'm referring to.
http://www.jrf.org.uk/sites/files/jrf/2077.pdf

The full 111 page PDF giving all data is here for anyone who wishes to go through it with a fine toothcomb!! http://www.jrf.org.uk/sites/files/jrf/2019-poverty-wealth-place.pdf

danothy

Graham_Devon wrote: »

at least I can actually answer a post

No you can't. You seem to think you can, but you can't.

Graham_Devon

danothy wrote: »

No you can't. You seem to think you can, but you can't.

Oh, OK.

That told me, I guess. Shot my point to pieces, too

ukcarper

Graham_Devon wrote: »

I don't know, but evidence would suggest more people live in poverty today than the 70's.. My issue was with the photos and the assumption that those type of scenarios were limited to the 70's, when they clearly still exist today.

Benefits, over the last couple of decades specifically have certainly helped mask severe poverty. The benefit state itself has seen a huge shift between the 70's and today. Secondly, some of your pictures do not actually represent poverty, they actually represent the blackouts as part of union strikes. We shouldn't confuse the two things.

Theres research into poverty out there....

We can see that levels of poverty have not changed that much since the 70's, and indeed, in some cases, such as the "breadline poor" has actually worsened since the 70's.

In terms of percentages, a higher percentage of people live in poverty today than in the 70's. So maybe that answers your question? There are more people living in poverty today than the 70's of which you have shown multiple pictures.

Core poor
12.3% of the population in the 70's
14.1% of the population in the 00's

Breadline poor
14.7% of the population in the 70's
18.3% of the population in the 00's

So by those measures, yes, more people live in poverty today than the 1970's.

This link is a 4 page PDF which gives all the data I'm referring to.
http://www.jrf.org.uk/sites/files/jrf/2077.pdf

The full 111 page PDF giving all data is here for anyone who wishes to go through it with a fine toothcomb!! http://www.jrf.org.uk/sites/files/jrf/2019-poverty-wealth-place.pdf

As they are relative values it doesn't tell the whole story as the overall standard of living has increased the actual standard of living for the worse off has improved.

Where I do agree people did go out and things were not quite as bad as some people are saying, but people do spend a lot more on nights out then they did in the past you only have to look at the growth in bars and clubs to see that.

Graham_Devon

ukcarper wrote: »

As they are relative values it doesn't tell the whole story as the overall standard of living has increased the actual standard of living for the worse off has improved.

Agreed. I believe benefits mask a huge underlying issue. If they were removed, or even cut you'd quickly see levels and physically witness poverty worse than we see in those pictures from the 70's (IMHO).

We have knocked down some of the worst 1960's housing disasters too. They were bad quality. Some lessons were learnt from some of the housing put up then in terms of quality, however, some lessons also seem to have been forgotten in terms of quantity and needs.

purch

I was a teenager in the 70's and I have no recollection of everything being in black and white and slightly out of focus.

I remember the amazing summers of 1975 and 1976 when everything was bright and colourful.

Plus, there were no tank tops being worn, so I doubt the authenticity of those pictures.

ukcarper

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Agreed. I believe benefits mask a huge underlying issue. If they were removed, or even cut you'd quickly see levels and physically witness poverty worse than we see in those pictures from the 70's (IMHO).

We have knocked down some of the worst 1960's housing disasters too. They were bad quality. Some lessons were learnt from some of the housing put up then in terms of quality, however, some lessons also seem to have been forgotten in terms of quantity and needs.

The majority of housing built in the 60s and 70s was OK the problem was the older property that hadn't been modernised. I would say very few people if any live in housing as bad as I did in the 60s and although I wasn't in the majority it wasn't unusual.