Very long term tenants and huge rent increase

orionmoo

What about the new kitchen / bathrooms the tenants had installed?

Surely they are the owners of these items, and the LL / their power of attorney isn't entitled to betterment..

Pixie5740

dekoder wrote: »

I disagree with the advice here. Even though it might be legal to fight rent increase/eviction it's not moral. They have been given huge financial gift over the years and it's time to repay the kindness by accepting rent increase/moving out.
If they don't I hope karma catches up.

I don't see what is immoral about the OP's relatives wanting to remain in their home without a massive rent increase of over £1000 pcm. Especially considering these tenants have repaired and maintained the property for over 30 years.

What financial gift have they been given? They have paid rent in exchange for the roof over their head. It's a business arrangement and the LL must have been happy with it or she would have tried to do something about it in the last 30 years.

They have a regulated tenancy, there are laws protecting them, or do you think that everyone with a regulated tenancy should just roll over if/when the LL wants to hike the rent up almost 6 fold or evict them?

dekoder

Pixie5740 wrote: »

I don't see what is immoral about the OP's relatives wanting to remain in their home without a massive rent increase of over £1000 pcm. Especially considering these tenants have repaired and maintained the property for over 30 years.

What financial gift have they been given? They have paid rent in exchange for the roof over their head. It's a business arrangement and the LL must have been happy with it or she would have tried to do something about it in the last 30 years.

They have a regulated tenancy, there are laws protecting them, or do you think that everyone with a regulated tenancy should just roll over if/when the LL wants to hike the rent up almost 6 fold or evict them?

They've been given financial gift every month for the last twenty something years cause they would have to pay the market value otherwise.

Quick estimate calculation of market rent of £1300pcm in 2014 and £50 less in each year for the last 15 years shows they've saved £126.000. New kitchen/ bathroom/ roof repair/ maintenance doesn't come close.

The owner was kind to them so it's only fair to return the kindness by not causing them trouble when their circumstances have changed and they need the money.

Pixie5740

dekoder wrote: »

They've been given financial gift every month for the last twenty something years cause they would have to pay the market value otherwise.

Rubbish. No financial gift has been given. This was a business arrangement that must have suited the LL just fine. You can't just go changing the rules when it doesn't suit you. Trying to trick those with regulated tenancies into signing away those rights and giving them a short assured tenancy instead would be immoral. I wonder if the LL ever registered with the local council because if she didn't then letting out this property would be a criminal offence, committing a crime would be immoral. Who knows what else the LL failed to do including annual rent increases?

As a rule of thumb, those with regulated tenancies pay less than the market rate unlike those with short assured tenancies because regulated tenancies are protected by law including rent increases.

45002

dekoder wrote:

I disagree with the advice here. Even though it might be legal to fight rent increase/eviction it's not moral. They have been given huge financial gift over the years and it's time to repay the kindness by accepting rent increase/moving out.
If they don't I hope karma catches up.

They have a Secure Tenancy for life and Should not give that up.

dekoder wrote:

They've been given financial gift every month for the last twenty something years cause they would have to pay the market value otherwise.

Quick estimate calculation of market rent of £1300pcm in 2014 and £50 less in each year for the last 15 years shows they've saved £126.000. New kitchen/ bathroom/ roof repair/ maintenance doesn't come close.

The owner was kind to them so it's only fair to return the kindness by not causing them trouble when their circumstances have changed and they need the money.

As a Regulated Tenant myself.

It's the LL fault not checking out what the Law is on LL and Tenants legal rights where, when the tenancy 1st stated.

From what the OP posted so far on (Mr&Mrs , there are No grounds for a possession order (called cases under 1984 rent act Scotland)

And I believe if a fair rent was registered, a lower rent may be set IMHO

dekoder

Pixie5740 wrote: »

Rubbish. No financial gift has been given. This was a business arrangement that must have suited the LL just fine. You can't just go changing the rules when it doesn't suit you. Trying to trick those with regulated tenancies into signing away those rights and giving them a short assured tenancy instead would be immoral. I wonder if the LL ever registered with the local council because if she didn't then letting out this property would be a criminal offence, committing a crime would be immoral. Who knows what else the LL failed to do including annual rent increases?

As a rule of thumb, those with regulated tenancies pay less than the market rate unlike those with short assured tenancies because regulated tenancies are protected by law including rent increases.

It wasn't a business arrangement, OP's mother is friends with the owner. You just can't see beyond the rules and law, this is about compassion and gratitude.

Pixie5740

dekoder wrote: »

It wasn't a business arrangement, OP's mother is friends with the owner. You just can't see beyond the rules and law, this is about compassion and gratitude.

Of course it was a business arrangement, letting property is a business. Do you have no compassion for a couple where the LL's family are about to try and force them out of their home of 30 years?

You just cannot grasp the concept of a Regulated Tenancy. Even if the LL had increased the rent annually there is no way any tenant with a regulated tenancy living in that property would be paying close to £1,400 pcm.

45002

dekoder wrote:

It wasn't a business arrangement, OP's mother is friends with the owner. You just can't see beyond the rules and law, this is about compassion and gratitude.

I was very good friends with my 1st LL, but they still had to sell up with me still in place as a regulated tenant.

jayss

It sounds like the landlady has had 30 years of no voids, no major repair bills, no upkeep costs and no agency fees.

Best of luck for a good compromise.

mrginge

dekoder wrote: »

It wasn't a business arrangement, OP's mother is friends with the owner. You just can't see beyond the rules and law, this is about compassion and gratitude.

Bit confused. Are you suggesting that contractual agreements between friends are exempt from legal obligations?

Regardless, it appears that the elements of compassion and gratitude which formed part of the original agreement have now been rescinded by the LL and instead replaced with proposed pure market based terms. OP is not the one wanting to move any goalposts.