Inconsidererate, aggressive, but not necessarily dangerous. Report?

modsandmockers

brat wrote: »

Ah, the penny has dropped!
Compare the above to your comment in post #20 when you wrote;

"I've watched the video several times, and I can see no wrong.
The car driver saw a chance to overtake a slower road user and did so in perfect safety."

That's progress, although because you're a particularly dim variety of troll, you'll have forgotten what opinion you favoured yesterday, so perhaps the progress isn't real

I was lying - I thought the cyclist was wrong all along, but I was too polite to say so.

modsandmockers

CycleCraft is the basis for the syllabus of the voluntary Bikeability training scheme - that is not the same thing as official advice. In court, the Highway Code would be regarded as the authoritative publication. The ROSPA endorsement on the back cover of CycleCraft acknowledges the invaluable advice that the book contains, and recommends it as essential reading - it does not say that it should be regarded as a set of gospel truths. It is easy to find cyclist bloggers who have serious doubts about the wisdom of lane-hogging.

CycleCraft is based upon the ‘vehicular’ style of cycling. If a motor vehicle had been travelling at 20mph on a straight and clear stretch of single carriageway road, then it is quite likely that it would have been pulled over. Whilst lane-hogging, I think many cyclists are in breach of Highway Code rules 67-68 -

67 You should … be aware of traffic coming up behind you
68 You MUST NOT … ride in a dangerous, careless or inconsiderate manner (my italics)

I also think that the Highway Code shows no enthusiasm for the vehicular style of cycling -

74 If you are turning right … it may be safer to wait on the left until there is a safe gap or to dismount and push your cycle across the road.
77 (on roundabouts) You may feel safer walking your cycle round on the pavement or verge. If you decide to ride round keeping to the left-hand lane you should … be aware that drivers may not easily see you

The ROSPA website contains no reference to CycleCraft, nor to the idea of Assertive Cycling. It does however still promote the idea of Defensive Driving.

Here is a quote from the introduction pages of CycleCraft -

“... a cyclist is too vulnerable to follow rigid rules irrespective of the risk. CycleCraft shows how to respond to actual conditions rather than acting as a strict rule book”

silverwhistle

tight_scotsman wrote: »

Having followed this thread from the beginning

In that case you should know better what he means by 'control the overtake' and ascribing other motives to him just undermines your own arguments.

Frankly you come across as a bully: everyone here knows (cyclist or not) that other road users come off second best against an HGV.

Tobster86

modsandmockers wrote: »

I was lying - I thought the cyclist was wrong all along, but I was too polite to say so.

Please, elaborate. Describe how you would have dealt with the situation.

You don't have to be polite, I'm not offended by the Internet.

tight_scotsman

silverwhistle wrote: »

In that case you should know better what he means by 'control the overtake' and ascribing other motives to him just undermines your own arguments.

Frankly you come across as a bully: everyone here knows (cyclist or not) that other road users come off second best against an HGV.

Thanks for your input. I am definitely not a bully. I never have or never will intentionally put a cyclist in danger. They are good enough at doing that themselves.

If cyclist know everything I have pointed out then why do they keep getting themselves into bother with other traffic.?

Like I say I mean no harm to any cyclists. But the ones who continue to act like they are immortal soon find out the exact opposite is the case.

modsandmockers

Tobster86 wrote: »

Please, elaborate. Describe how you would have dealt with the situation.

You don't have to be polite, I'm not offended by the Internet.

As a driver? I would have held back

As a cyclist? I would have been unsurprised by the event, and I would have allowed for it by moving to the left

tight_scotsman

JP08 wrote: »

TS

Do see where you're coming from - in the specific. However in the general, those of the "might is right" mindset need to be tackled (and not just on the roads), not appeased, for the sake of society in general.

TBH when I'm out and about on the bike (generally in the more rural location) prefer to pull into the nearest gate rather than have a truck growling along behind me - even if the driver is being considerate and hanging back patiently it doesn't enhance the pleasure of the ride.

Cars, generally are only back there 30 seconds or so, tops, before a safe opportunity presents itself, so only minimal patience is required.

My point exactly. Why put yourself in danger when you can easily avoid it. Pull off the road and just let traffic pass safely.

You don't know who is behind the wheel of that 44 ton artic. It could be me with all the patience in the world and would never endanger you.
Or some nutter who doesn't care a jot about his own safety never mind someone on a bike.

Without being patronising. iI's a pity you feel you have to pull off the road to let another vehicle pass. But until such times as everyone respects each other then I don't blame you.

modsandmockers

modsandmockers wrote: »

As a driver? I would have held back

As a cyclist? I would have been unsurprised by the event, and I would have allowed for it by moving to the left

ps - as a driver, I would probably have held back far enough for the driver behind me to be able to see why I was travelling so slowly. This would also allow enough space for another driver to pull in front of me without endangering the cyclist

modsandmockers

modsandmockers wrote: »

ps - as a driver, I would probably have held back far enough for the driver behind me to be able to see why I was travelling so slowly. This would also allow enough space for another driver to pull in front of me without endangering the cyclist

pps - holding further back would also have allowed me to begin accelerating sooner, so that the overtake would take less time

Tobster86

modsandmockers wrote: »

As a cyclist? I would have been unsurprised by the event, and I would have allowed for it by moving to the left

And that differs from my actions how?