Unclear signs & no road markings

andwan0

I got a PCN parking fine while parked in:

Altius Court
Jacks Farm Way
London E4 9BF

The entire car park has no visible yellow lines at all. There are yellow signs that says it's "Controlled Parking". It was dark evening and I cannot see any parking bay lines. (In the morning I could see that they used slightly different coloured brick-work to mark the parking bays!)

The place where I parked was near a white sign that states the hours of restricted parking. I was convinced I was clear and out-width the restricted hours. There was a GAP at the end of a row of parked cars, just before the extruded pavement. So it looks like an empty parking bay - in a parking bay enclosed by pavements. There are no yellow lines. The sign near the spot was white stating valid hours.

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After returning to my car I analysed/examined why I got the PCN. Apparently the white sign had an arrow pointing where it applies. I feel that this was a money-trap. The gap/area between the end of the parking bay and the pavement enclosure/extrusion is very misleading.

Here is the parking spot as shown in Google Street View. Note that it was dark with dim street lighting and structure of car park may have changed since Google taken that picture: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.607338,-0.004478,3a,75y,279.71h,66.39t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1su0JP64x-HO2PNSEMNHZeNQ!2e0




Is this fair?

bazster

Private or council? If private what company?

andwan0

bazster wrote: »

Private or council? If private what company?

How can I tell?

NB: Here is the parking spot as shown in Google Street View. Note that it was dark with dim street lighting and structure of car park may have changed since Google taken that picture: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.607338,-0.004478,3a,75y,279.71h,66.39t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1su0JP64x-HO2PNSEMNHZeNQ!2e0

bod1467

The creditor/company issuing the charge will be named on the PCN.

If it is called a Penalty then it is council - Penalty Charge Notice / Fixed Penalty Notice. If it is a Parking Charge Notice / Fixed Charge Notice then it is a private invoice not a fine.

bazster

andwan0 wrote: »

How can I tell?

Read the bloody ticket to see who's issued it!

Folkiedave

Council will also mention "Traffic Acts"

andwan0

bazster wrote: »

Private or council? If private what company?

Penalty charge notice (PCN) of London borough of Waltham Forest

Does this affect how to proceed?

Fruitcake

andwan0 wrote: »

Penalty charge notice (PCN) of London borough of Waltham Forest

Does this affect how to proceed?

Yes, and I mean no offence but peppipoo.com are the experts in council tickets so you would be better posting over on their website. Read the FAQs first and take pics/scans of signs and lines and the ticket before you post your query.

MSE are more aligned to deal with parking tickets on private land.