Advice - ASDA Security Guard

GrumpyPL

stevemLS wrote: »

Most innocent and reasonable people would co-operate

And don't get me wrong, in hindsight I realize I probably made myself look guilty by not agreeing to the search, but still, I don't think he had any right to ask to search & then to forcibly try to detain me with no actual grounds when I refused. I'm a lot bigger than him, if I'd smashed him in retaliation to him grabbing me then I could be in a lot of trouble right now and it'd be a lot of his own fault.

JReacher1 wrote: »

I would have handed him the deodrant and said I think this is what you are after

Ah, well cheers bud, you made me laugh during a distressing situation :beer:

GrumpyPL

Poppie68 wrote: »

Can't see what you would achieve by complaining....You can't prove you didn't steal anything because you did a runner.

Firstly, it wasn't a "runner" as you put it, I was exercising my right to freedom and I don't believe the guard had a lawful purpose to attempt to detain me.

Secondly, well if they don't have CCTV in their stores that would prove that I DID steal something, then they would've been lost in a court of law trying to get me prosecuted.

Please note, I'm not looking to complain or get any kind of compensation etc... I'm merely asking for advice as to what step I should take next? Should I go to the police & "hand myself in" as such, not that there's anything to hand myself in for? What should I do?

stevemLS

OP you've gone from "grip" and "touch" in your OP, to "forcibly try to detain".

If I were you I would do nothing, probably stay away from that store.

Proving theft in the circumstances you describe (which I know you didn't) would be incredibly difficult and I can't imagine the store or the police will want to follow it up. As I understand it, shops have to persuade the police to attend when they actually have someone in "custody".

For clarification, someone using the s24A power of arrest has every right to use just as much force as a police officer, each may only use that which is necessary in the circumstances (granted not many of us are likely to have tazers laying around).

shammyjack

Been stopped twice in the last 10 years both times in my scruffy mucky working clothes .

On both occasions I kept my cool and demanded the manager was present.

When he was I said this " For every item I have on my person that I have not paid for I will give you £100 on the understanding when you are proved wrong you give me £10 for every item in my bag ".

On both occasions " Very sorry to have bothered you Sir " !

GrumpyPL

stevemLS wrote: »

OP you've gone from "grip" and "touch" in your OP, to "forcibly try to detain".

By gripping somebodies arm and therefore preventing them from moving away, are you not at least attempting to detain them?

stevemLS

Let's not do semantics, it's bedtime.

Forcible detention in common understanding is more than a touch to the arm.

Spicy_McHaggis

GrumpyPL wrote: »

And don't get me wrong, in hindsight I realize I probably made myself look guilty by not agreeing to the search, but still, I don't think he had any right to ask to search & then to forcibly try to detain me with no actual grounds when I refused. I'm a lot bigger than him, if I'd smashed him in retaliation to him grabbing me then I could be in a lot of trouble right now and it'd be a lot of his own fault.




Ah, well cheers bud, you made me laugh during a distressing situation :beer:

Well you're wrong cause he did.

Spicy_McHaggis

GrumpyPL wrote: »

By gripping somebodies arm and therefore preventing them from moving away, are you not at least attempting to detain them?

Get your mum to read you section 3 of the criminal law act before bed tonight.

GrumpyPL

Spicy_McHaggis wrote: »

Get your mum to read you section 3 of the criminal law act before bed tonight.

Thanks but I actually live alone and probably make more money per year than you have made in the last 2 and I'm 19, so take a seat buddy. :money:

tommytynan123

What a load of wussies you lot are. Grumpy was correct to be upset. If a security guard grabbed me he would end up on the floor having tripped over my leg.
Get in there Grumpy and demand to see the manager. Also check the security guard has an SIA ? licence because I think spoken English is part of the test but could be wrong.