Two thirds of private rental landlords will leave sector if Labour win

antrobus

stator wrote: »

The private sector has failed because there is a shortfall of hundreds of thousands of houses per year. Maggies experiment of leaving the free market alone has failed to produce the number of houses needed, the only thing it did achieve is to make her middle class cronies rich....

'Maggie' as you call her, hasn't been in power since 1990. That was 25 years ago you know, and there was a Labour government in power for 13 of those year.

Do I really have to quote my favourite housing statistic again?

Thatcher (1980-1989) built 391,720 council houses. Blair (1998-2007) built 3,520 council houses. In the three years 2011-2013 even the current lot have managed to finish 7,690 council houses.

When you take into account the overall demographics; the UK population increased by some 800k in the 80s, compared to more like 2.4 million in the 00s, you can sort of see where the problem lies.

tkane

Marktheshark wrote: »

Labour and anyone else could help the "housing crisis" by shutting the bloody door.
We are full.

No we're not, less than 3% of all land in the UK is devoted to housing humans.

In Surrey for example, more land is devoted to golf courses than housing for HUMANS.

CLAPTON

tkane wrote: »

No we're not, less than 3% of all land in the UK is devoted to housing humans.

In Surrey for example, more land is devoted to gold courses than housing for HUMANS.

it's generally considered that 10-12% of the uk is 'developed'

ukcarper

antrobus wrote: »

Why do you assume that I was only talking about Labour controlled councils? Why are you trying to use this thread to score party political points?

Pot kettle, so you are saying that Tory councils built council estates to create Labour wards.

Prothet_of_Doom

Marktheshark wrote: »

Labour and anyone else could help the "housing crisis" by shutting the bloody door.
We are full.

Has anyone ever called you Xenophobic ? Or perhaps they just smile and pretend to agree, secretly thinking that you might read and take the Daily Mail on Line too seriously.


It may be that the housing "crisis" is caused by the door being open, or it may be that cultural shifts means that there are more single people of all age groups and more of them are not prepared to share their living space, with others. Some of that may be caused by much higher divorce rates, than used to be the case.


Or we could blame the Polish, who come over here and take our jobs, and houses and school places.

jjlandlord

stator wrote: »

I disagree. It's the state's job to look after people where the private sector has failed.

Where did the private sector fail on this exactly?

stator wrote: »

Since councils were stopped from building housing we have consistently had a shortfall in the number of houses built vs the number of new houses needed.

There is not enough houses (and flats) built because developers do not get permission to do so from councils and the government.

Let's not move the blame, shall we.

Prothet_of_Doom

jjlandlord wrote: »

There is not enough houses (and flats) built because developers do not get permission to do so from councils and the government.

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Developers in my area are careful to drip feed applications for permission to keep supply at a level that is less than demand, thus keeping prices up, and having the secondary effect of not scaring the locals about how much land they actually now own.

jjlandlord

Prothet_of_Doom wrote: »

Developers in my area are careful to drip feed applications for permission to keep supply at a level that is less than demand, thus keeping prices up, and having the secondary effect of not scaring the locals about how much land they actually now own.

Please, that is b*ll*cks plain and simple.

CLAPTON

Prothet_of_Doom wrote: »

Has anyone ever called you Xenophobic ? Or perhaps they just smile and pretend to agree, secretly thinking that you might read and take the Daily Mail on Line too seriously.


It may be that the housing "crisis" is caused by the door being open, or it may be that cultural shifts means that there are more single people of all age groups and more of them are not prepared to share their living space, with others. Some of that may be caused by much higher divorce rates, than used to be the case.


Or we could blame the Polish, who come over here and take our jobs, and houses and school places.

do you believe that the size of the population makes no difference in any country or indeed the world?

would it make any difference if the population of the UK increased from the present 65 million to say 650 million

do you believe that the resources of the world are infinite?

does it matter that the Uk are net importers of food, fuel etc?

is it possible that the price of housing in London is related to the number of people wanting to live there?

does it matter that the population of London is about 40% foreign born?

Graham_Devon

CLAPTON wrote: »

if enough land was zoned for building, there would be plenty of people willing to buy and build.
It is the government that prevents the land being zoned for building.The government are the problem and not the solution

Theres some truth in this.

But similarly, there are quite a few sites with planning permission that have not been built on. This is exactly why (I think it was Labour?) was looking into revoking the permission after 2 years if a certain percentage of the land has not been built upon.

Theres one near me, with 6 phases of development. Trouble is, only the first 2 phases were ever completed. The rest is simply on hold and has been or a good 2-3 years now.

So the land is there, but they don't want to flood the place with supply.

When you place profits into the equation, your suggestion isn't quite as simple as it may seem.