Waiters and other restaurant staff: spill the beans

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ive worked in a nightclub for years, it has 4 different bars. Each one has their own tules on tips according to the bar staff. Sometimes we pool together, sometimes seperating. If someone wanted to keep their own then we would do so. I always did well as I always got to the well know tippers 'fast' and always wore a smile and a laughter/chat as much as I was able. My best friend who worked just as hard as me would be lucky to get £2 tips all night, although she was just as nice as me the customers just didn't respon to her the same!
Christmas and new years we would always pull tips together and then spilt with everyone on our bar and give the glass collectors a share too (none of the other bars did this) but we worked hand in hand with them and when you saw how super hard they wirked those nights it was only fair x

Equity

John_Gray wrote: »

Perhaps all tipping could be abolished by law, and a decent wage paid to all employees.

Do we tip nurses? Shop assistants? Bus drivers?
So why tip waiting staff, taxi drivers?

Hear! Hear! Tipping of all kinds is an antiquated and embarrassing social custom. ("How much should I tip? Is it too small? Is it too large (thereby making it difficult for other people to match it? What will people think if I don't give anything? Is it expected to tip in this place, e.g. a pub as distinct from a restaurant")


Let the staff be paid more if they are good and raise the price of the service to customers if necessary. At least we will then start a meal or a taxi journey, knowing exactly how mush we will pay.


Tipping should be abolished and consigned to history at a time when there was a distinct class system Servants or service staff were then considered to be in the lowest and underpaid section of society so deserved to be patronised with a few pence from their better-offs.

Kim_kim

Charlotte17 wrote: »

No they wouldn't. They pay by law the NMW or above and people work for NMW all the time.

People who can't get more work for NMW. Great waiting staff would command a better rate.

If they don't get more people will do other NMW jobs that are far easier than waiting on.

Kim_kim

Doc_N wrote: »

Nice idea, but in most cases you'll be reducing the wage of the employee - and frequently below the living wage. Hardly fair on the employee.

No, actually the employer is doing that by not paying them a fair wage.

Kim_kim

Equity wrote: »

Hear! Hear! Tipping of all kinds is an antiquated and embarrassing social custom. ("How much should I tip? Is it too small? Is it too large (thereby making it difficult for other people to match it? What will people think if I don't give anything? Is it expected to tip in this place, e.g. a pub as distinct from a restaurant")


Let the staff be paid more if they are good and raise the price of the service to customers if necessary. At least we will then start a meal or a taxi journey, knowing exactly how mush we will pay.


Tipping should be abolished and consigned to history at a time when there was a distinct class system Servants or service staff were then considered to be in the lowest and underpaid section of society so deserved to be patronised with a few pence from their better-offs.

I can understand how it exists in second & third world countries, but not in first world countries.

Yes it's antiquated, unfair & demeaning.

ohreally

cecewece wrote: »

A "service charge" is intended for service received and that service is done by the staff waiting tables.

Not sure the chefs/ cooks would agree with that statement.

Charlotte17

Kim_kim wrote: »

No, actually the employer is doing that by not paying them a fair wage.

What is a fair wage just out of interest?

Doc_N

Kim_kim wrote: »

I can understand how it exists in second & third world countries, but not in first world countries.

Yes it's antiquated, unfair & demeaning.

I agree - but whilst the practice is still legal, and still exists as a matter of hard fact, customers choosing to avoid tipping are depriving the staff of the money they need to live, and feed their families.

It's all well and good talking about it in theoretical, abstract terms, and blaming the employers. But whilst the system is as it is, and staff are only paid low wages with the expectation of tips on top, taking a moralistic stance and depriving staff of the money they need to live on is just plain mean.

Kim_kim

Doc_N wrote: »

I agree - but whilst the practice is still legal, and still exists as a matter of hard fact, customers choosing to avoid tipping are depriving the staff of the money they need to live, and feed their families.

It's all well and good talking about it in theoretical, abstract terms, and blaming the employers. But whilst the system is as it is, and staff are only paid low wages with the expectation of tips on top, taking a moralistic stance and depriving staff of the money they need to live on is just plain mean.

Please don't be rude.
If you feel that way about NMW, do you tip the people in the supermarket when you shop?
The orderly in hospital who wheels you about?
The cleaner in facilities you use?

Kim_kim

Charlotte17 wrote: »

What is a fair wage just out of interest?

It will depend on the complexity of skills needed.
Someone in the savoy grill room will be much higher skilled than someone in a local greasy spoon cafe.