Boundry dispute with title plan

moneyistooshorttomention

:rotfl:at the "Which government" post?:rotfl:

Errr....THE Government. Though I guess that's one way of saying "Which part of Britain are you in? - as some parts of Britain have slightly different laws to other parts".

cc051079

We are in bournemouth

moneyistooshorttomention

cc051079 wrote: »

Thanks moneystooshorttomention!

Ignorance is best I think!

Well...I might rephrase that myself into "Ignore them is best":rotfl:..but yep...ignore them. Mine has been out mis(quoting) measurements at me too to suit themselves, but the Title Plan is the Title Plan is "The Bible" basically.

You could always ring the Land Registry and explain the situation to them for further clarification. Assuming the LR do duly say "Our latest Plan is indeed The Bible" then go back to neighbours and say "at such-and-such time on so-and-so date I spoke to X at the Land Registry and they said and I quote "xxxxxxxxxx".

chickadee

I have something similar going on at work. We have a copy of the Land Registry document for my organisation, but my solicitor pointed out that the LR plans are on a 1:1250 scale (in our case, not sure if that is always the case). When scaled up, the red line showing the boundary will be 6 feet wide so there can easily be a dispute over 30cm.


I know this doesn't help the OP but it may explain why there is still a problem even with the plans.


Good luck.

moneyistooshorttomention

chickadee wrote: »

I have something similar going on at work. We have a copy of the Land Registry document for my organisation, but my solicitor pointed out that the LR plans are on a 1:1250 scale (in our case, not sure if that is always the case). When scaled up, the red line showing the boundary will be 6 feet wide so there can easily be a dispute over 30cm.


I know this doesn't help the OP but it may explain why there is still a problem even with the plans.


Good luck.

That "general boundaries" rule the LR have coming into play there by the look of it. It seems to be 30 cm that is regarded as "give or take zone" under that normally (because of the thickness of that line). Think that could be why the neighbour is quoting exactly 30cm, rather than 29 cm or 31 cm iyswim.

From what OP says, I would think their own (latest) Title Plan shows a line clearly shown from one point on plan to another point on plan and that line goes to halfway point between left side and right side of garage, rather than to left side of garage or right side of garage.

EDIT; Been back for further re-read of OPs posts and its now striking me that the latest house transfer (ie OP buying it) seems to be 2007. With it now being 2015...I'm wondering why the neighbour has taken this long to start kicking up about it. Why has the neighbour sat there saying nothing for 7 years by the look of it and are only raising this now? What plans does the neighbour have? I would be wondering if they wish to knock down the garage and do something else on the land and hence are quibbling about the side nearest to them of that garage.

martinthebandit

Whatever you do keep it amicable and be aware that it is cheaper (by far) to conceded rather than get solicitors involved.

If your neighbours are right what problems would it cause you?

...and, conversely if you are right what problems would it cause your nbeighbours?

moneyistooshorttomention

martinthebandit wrote: »

Whatever you do keep it amicable and be aware that it is cheaper (by far) to conceded rather than get solicitors involved.

If your neighbours are right what problems would it cause you?

...and, conversely if you are right what problems would it cause your nbeighbours?

It would certainly be a useful exercise to think of "what happens if they win?", "what happens if I win?" to figure out what the effect would be.

I'm becoming more convinced that a phonecall to the Land Registry explaining all this would be a good idea and maybe make a recording of it too. Then OP could go back to the neighbour and say "Absolute proof positive that 1970s Title Plans go. I had that phonecall at so-and-so date to person x and they said and I quote word for word...." and then offer to play back the recording to the neighbour, so that they can hear x say it for themselves. Alternatively, then, instead of a recording, OP could carefully write down the exact words the LR person says to them and then say "Look, I wrote these words down they used at the time. Those ARE their exact words. But, if you don't believe me, then ring them. Do please ring them. I'm sure they will say the same to you".

justjohn

cc051079 wrote: »

I bought the most recent from land registry which shows in dec 77 the owners re registered the land and with agreement from both houses to use the share drive and shows the red line from the corner of our house to the middle of the garage.

Game over for your neighbours. looks like your neighbours in 77 never updated there deeds.


the only thing I cannot understand is why is your neighbours only got deeds from 1952.


in theory the only way they can have upto date deeds from then is if they purchased in 52. if they did not purchase in 52 they should have newer deeds/transfer of ownership. AND if the have purchased pre 1977 they should be fully aware and mentioned in you 1977 deeds.


As someone has said try too keep it nice. And more or less ignore them but be helpful.


in theory when your neighbours go to update on land registry the burden/easement eg shared drive will be updated on there new deeds.(or should be lol)

silvercar

Worth downloading the neighbours plans from land registry. Just to see that they show the same as yours.

moneyistooshorttomention

Yep...having the neighbours Title Plans isn't the "be-all and end-all" that solves everything necessarily, but it will certainly help clarify the position.

One really major issue on my own property has been stopped in its tracks from even being raised in the first place by neighbours, because the Title Plans are so crystal clear on that particular point (ie they wanted to claim ownership of a really large chunk of my land and weren't able to). We aren't talking a few inches here either....

So = worth getting them.