Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Thrugelmir

Leanne1812 wrote: »

Agreed, Scotland is not doing so well right now but I'd imagine it's difficult if not impossible to calculate just how much Scotland has benefitted from Barnett if you count how much oil revenues alone she has put into the coffers.

And when the oil runs out?

Tourism, whisky and golf aren't going to make up the shortfall.

Mistermeaner

What went in historically is irrelevant. Plenty of facts regards Scotland's finances blissfully ignored by pro indi

Not one coherent response to my 5 point challenge. There is no logical basis for independence, just ignorance and emotion

A dangerous combination

You are lucky more than 50% of your countrymen are better informed than you

Leanne1812

Mistermeaner wrote: »

What went in historically is irrelevant. Plenty of facts regards Scotland's finances blissfully ignored by pro indi

Not one coherent response to my 5 point challenge. There is no logical basis for independence, just ignorance and emotion

A dangerous combination

You are lucky more than 50% of your countrymen are better informed than you

Isn't the referendum history now?

Yet you seem determined to hark back over the old arguments & reasoning behind them.

Maybe start at the beginning of this thread & a few others. I have absolutely no desire to go back there.

Your opinion to me is water off a ducks back.

I said all along it's who you trust & believe.

I stand by that.

Thrugelmir

Leanne1812 wrote: »

Agreed, Scotland is not doing so well right now but I'd imagine it's difficult if not impossible to calculate just how much Scotland has benefitted from Barnett if you count how much oil revenues alone she has put into the coffers.

On second thoughts. The oil revenue probably covers the the cost to the UK taxpayer of the RBS fiasco. That's still ongoing.

Leanne1812

Thrugelmir wrote: »

On second thoughts. The oil revenue probably covers the the cost to the UK taxpayer of the RBS fiasco. That's still ongoing.

And here I am thinking it was a British institution. Well, before the crash it was anyway.

Do you feel Scotland should have the oil revenues returned then?

That's actually quite a good idea. Let's have them back and we'll settle up for RBS.

islandannie

Leanne1812 wrote: »

And here I am thinking it was a British institution. Well, before the crash it was anyway.

Do you feel Scotland should have the oil revenues returned then?

That's actually quite a good idea. Let's have them back and we'll settle up for RBS.

You know you were much funnier before you gave shakey your log in details.

Leanne1812

islandannie wrote: »

You know you were much funnier before you gave shakey your log in details.

Hi Annie, nice to hear from you. How I've missed your witticisms

islandannie

Leanne1812 wrote: »

Hi Annie, nice to hear from you. How I've missed your witticisms

I`m sorry you missed me,however as a no voter I am incredibly relieved that my vote protected future generations of Scottish children from the appalling consequences of a yes vote.

I am incredibly proud of my contribution to protect Scotland`s wains from the lunatic SNP.

You may not appreciate it just now but there will come a point that you will thank me.

On the other hand you may wish to provide evidence of the three stooges promises of great wealth for all of us with independence or even if you are honest apologise for their lies.

As ever you lowland Sassenach are and have always been quite deluded as to what real Scots want.

Give me the figures to make me change my opinion?

Generali

Leanne1812 wrote: »

Ok, from what I can glean here the analyst didn't tell any untruths.

The only claim that I would say is out-and-out wrong is the one about interest rates. I have no idea why someone would even say that. Everyone knows that interest rates have been falling. Everyone in finance knows that there have been secular falls in interest rates since the early 80s too:

This is the interest paid by the UK Government to borrow for 10 years tracked over time:



Same thing for the US:

Leanne1812 wrote: »

Thanks for taking the time & putting in the effort to watch & respond.

You're welcome.

Mistermeaner

Leanne1812 wrote: »

Isn't the referendum history now?

Yet you seem determined to hark back over the old arguments & reasoning behind them.

Maybe start at the beginning of this thread & a few others. I have absolutely no desire to go back there.

Your opinion to me is water off a ducks back.

I said all along it's who you trust & believe.

I stand by that.

Yes referendum is history; arguments on here are about the next steps for scotland and the fact that you shakey and leanne still support independence - financial case is IMO even worse for scotland for now that at time of referendum so why would you still support independence?

I asked you each to provide brief details on 5 key points of scotlands finances so as you could justify some of your vision and perhaps help me understand things from your point of view but all 3 of you declined to do so, instead deflecting the issue.

The only conclusion that I can draw from this is that my existing view that scotlands would be fooked financially is correct (as per the facts and figures referenced by other posters e.g. Gen)

Clearly you want independence no matter what the financial cost to scotland I assume either because you (i) dont care or (ii) are ignorant as to the consequences of this financial mess.

As each of you refer to scotland being 'better' as an independent nation I assume some element of that better must be related to the social and welfare policies of your vision for iscotland?.... all things that must be paid for

I am therefore completely at a loss as to your reasoning and justification for iscotland.

Saying things such as "noone knows the details" is just ignorant - there is plenty of information from which you can draw very reasonable assumptions. Why not use the available information to provide a brief vision of iscotland on the basis of the 5 key points of national finances and how they will be different from today:

- Barnett (block grant)
- Share of UK debt
- Taxation (up/down/the same)
- Expenditure (up/down/the same)
- Borrowing