Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

elantan

mystic_trev wrote: »

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon/12189037/Scotland-runs-up-15bn-deficit-twice-size-of-UKs.html

I know it's brilliant isn't it ... finally WM gets to keep us ... cause don't forget were better together ....

As soon as we get indy the tide will slowly start turning ... till then WM.can keep us in the manner we've became accustomed to

elantan

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Again, must've missed the part where Scotland and her MP's are now independent. If this was an English only matter and wouldn't impact current Scottish constituents at all, why wasn't EVEL used ? The Unions ( USDAW), and Labour are against too.

It's the Tory rebels that are Cameron's problem.

Ahhh but remembering that Tories and Labour are voting against it doesn't fit in with the SNP bad rhetoric ... do keep up Shakey

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Again, must've missed the part where Scotland and her MP's are now independent. If this was an English only matter and wouldn't impact current Scottish constituents at all, why wasn't EVEL used ? The Unions ( USDAW), and Labour are against too.

It's the Tory rebels that are Cameron's problem.

clearly it is an english only matter
and clearly the unprincipled SNP MPs voted to cause maximum harm

but no surprise there but a further confirmation that any old faux excuse can and will be used to cause mischief

I assume you approve of the SNP tactics?

elantan

Have to admit I do also love the irony of today's vote ... the Tories are frothing at the mouth at the SNP for voting today ... but no acceptence that they voted down 99% of the Scotland Bill

Mistermeaner

I follow this thread out of some perverse need to always remind myself how stupid some people are.

Its not worth commenting specifcally or debating. Eletan has proved herself to be genuinely thick. Shakey surprises me as appears intelligent but to counter that telegraph article with 'yeah but if Scotland was independent' ...... The only possible answer is independent Scotland = massive taxes and low spending. There is no alternative. To claim otherwise is stupidity

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

clearly it is an english only matter
and clearly the unprincipled SNP MPs voted to cause maximum harm

but no surprise there but a further confirmation that any old faux excuse can and will be used to cause mischief

I assume you approve of the SNP tactics?

Yes.

Even if the party had previously told the government they would keep out of it, it’s their job to represent their Scottish constituents. Yes, the proposed changes will only directly affect England and Wales, but the knock-on consequences may be significant: if the laws are liberalised south of the border, the SNP argue, the premium wages that Scottish workers can attract on a Sunday will be jeopardised...

..But in the end, who can argue with the idea that significant changes in England and Wales are bound to affect life across the UK, and that an MP’s job is to represent their constituents’ interests in such matters, come what may?

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/09/millennials-snp-sunday-trading-laws-problem-independence

Cameron fought for three years with every fibre of his being to keep Scottish MP's at Westminster. So here we all are. If it had been Scottish Labour MP's still around, there would've been no question of them voting with the Tories on this. I fail to see the difference because they happen to be SNP MP's.

Rinoa

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Must've missed the part where Scotland goes independent and runs it's own economy, rather than getting a fixed block grant from Westminster every year.

You must know lots of folk who voted no.

I hope you buy them a drink when you see them.

Shakethedisease

Mistermeaner wrote: »

I follow this thread out of some perverse need to always remind myself how stupid some people are.

Its not worth commenting specifcally or debating. Eletan has proved herself to be genuinely thick. Shakey surprises me as appears intelligent but to counter that telegraph article with 'yeah but if Scotland was independent' ...... The only possible answer is independent Scotland = massive taxes and low spending. There is no alternative. To claim otherwise is stupidity

I think you have to be clearer when you're quoting articles. There is no possible way that any Scottish Govt can 'run up a deficit' at the present time. You accuse others of being thick. Perhaps you should look again at this headline. Scotland is currently part of the UK so isn't running up anything but a fixed block grant. You'd have to be massively thick to see otherwise.

Scotland runs up £15bn deficit twice size of UK's

Scotland being independent re deficits is a different matter altogether. One which incidentally, wouldn't be following the UK model outlined in today's GERS. GERS is always bad news when it comes out. I can't remember anytime it wasn't to be honest. This year is no different, and will be worse next year.

We've been over it a million times on threads like these. Every year. To put it perfectly frankly it all boils down to whether you think GERS proves that Scotland dodged a bullet voting No. Or if you think that voting No keeps Scotland in an eternally crap economic position with no levers to correct within the Union, and that is actually what GERS is proving.

And never the twain shall meet.

Shakethedisease

Rinoa wrote: »

You must know lots of folk who voted no.

I hope you buy them a drink when you see them.

See ?

To put it perfectly frankly it all boils down to whether you think GERS proves that Scotland dodged a bullet voting No.

Thank you for proving my point wonderfully there.

Rinoa

Shakethedisease wrote: »

See ?



Thank you for proving my point wonderfully there.

You don't really think I proved your point, but you have to reply with something I guess.