Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

elantan

LABMAN wrote: »

So you don't talk about politics at work...but you do? 30 a day?..how many actually express their opinion amongst the stuff you are actually there for? You know like, the length and breadth of Scotland like you've claimed?


What about the other people you work with? You've given YOUR opinion on the 180...how about the rest...?

Oh my your awfy presumptious, have I said I work the length and breadth of the country?

I don't talk political parties at work...

It varies how many do choose to talk political parties in front of me, it's not like I go looking for it, some days none, other days over a dozen, I reckon it's not to do with the places I work in more what's happening in the news, for example a lot more talked about political parties during the FRB shut down, especially when it was a constant in the media from Labour,

The people that I work with....yep during breaks if political parties come up I do join in the conversation, and apart from some serious known orange supporters the vast majority are SNP supporters, I even try to play devils advocate sometimes as I don't like the idea of Scotland blindly following the SNP, but rarely do I hear anyone say they think the SNP are doing a bad job ... and whilst that is great for independence I don't think it's 100%great for the running if the country, we need an effective opposition in Scotland badly, I hope a decent party steps into the ring soon

elantan

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

You can take a Uni graduate of economics, or worse, PPE (which is the most common degree amongst political advisors) and they'll all think they are masters of the universe.

And they'll also mostly be incorrect in that assumption.

In general however, my experience of anyone working for politicians (and I've experienced more than I'd care to admit of both politicians and their advisors) is that they rapidly become politicized.

Thinking in 5 year terms. Thinking only as far as moving the polls for the next election. Thinking of short term political gain, and damn the consequences.

I guess that's an inevitable consequence of democracy...

When your job depends on it, you do what is needed to win, and then worry about the next one when it comes..

I agree and have noticed this myself, sad state of affairs tbh

elantan

Generali wrote: »

So you discuss politics while refusing to discuss politics. Hmmmmm.

It's me that refuses to discuss political parties ... I do talk politics though, but in a more generalised way, things like refugee crisis or maybe weather changes ... but again only when they are brought up, I don't go looking for those conversations. I have said many a time to people " look I don't talk political parties at work ..but you fire away if you want to"

Mistermeaner

I find this thread is much better when you don't read it

elantan

Mistermeaner wrote: »

I find this thread is much better when you don't read it

ahhhh didums ... my sympathies

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

elantan wrote: »

I agree and have noticed this myself, sad state of affairs tbh

Indeed, and again it's not in any way particular to the SNP, all parties are like this.

One thing I do give grudging credit to the SNP for however, and note they are currently much, much better than anyone else, is spin...

The SNP spin doctors are the best Britain has seen since Blair's first two terms in New Labour. The days when the 'Teflon Tony' moniker was attached to him as absolutely nothing negative would stick.

If a Scottish Labour government had presided over the worsening performance of the Scottish NHS, the ever growing gap in education results between Scotland and England despite Scottish funding being increased, the deaths attributed to poor performance by Police Scotland following a poorly executed merger of the forces, and of course the Forth Road Bridge being shut for weeks thanks to budget cuts causing failure of a component that was scheduled to be replaced years ago.... They'd be struggling to win a bid on ebay let alone an election.

But the SNP appear to be completely and utterly immune to any failure these days no matter how serious.

Nicola Sturgeon could literally walk down Sauchiehall Street naked, slapping people with a dead and rotting Salmon, and she'd still win a landslide in the polls.

It really is very much like New Labour - where populism trumped competence.

And while of course it won't last forever it is absolutely astonishing to watch in the meantime.

elantan

We really do need am effective opposition tbh ... I still believe the SNP are the best there is ... but that's not to say I agree with everything they do or say ... just that I reckon the others are much worse

zagubov

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Indeed, and again it's not in any way particular to the SNP, all parties are like this.

One thing I do give grudging credit to the SNP for however, and note they are currently much, much better than anyone else, is spin...

The SNP spin doctors are the best Britain has seen since Blair's first two terms in New Labour. The days when the 'Teflon Tony' moniker was attached to him as absolutely nothing negative would stick.

If a Scottish Labour government had presided over the worsening performance of the Scottish NHS, the ever growing gap in education results between Scotland and England despite Scottish funding being increased, the deaths attributed to poor performance by Police Scotland following a poorly executed merger of the forces, and of course the Forth Road Bridge being shut for weeks thanks to budget cuts causing failure of a component that was scheduled to be replaced years ago.... They'd be struggling to win a bid on ebay let alone an election.

But the SNP appear to be completely and utterly immune to any failure these days no matter how serious.

Nicola Sturgeon could literally walk down Sauchiehall Street naked, slapping people with a dead and rotting Salmon, and she'd still win a landslide in the polls.

It really is very much like New Labour - where populism trumped competence.

And while of course it won't last forever it is absolutely astonishing to watch in the meantime.

To be honest, the dead-tree media pretty much shot itself in the foot more often than a self-harming centipede during the referendum run-up. Who's going to believe them now?

A lot of the posters on here have got a very good imagination about how bad it could be if Yes had won.

On the other hand, it seems clear to me that loads of people in Scotland have got an equally good imagination about how much worse they'd be off under Labour, hitherto the natural single party of the so-called Scottish one-party state.

It's difficult to see how the SNP could match the level of incompetence and corruption the electorate expect from their rivals, let alone exceed it.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

zagubov wrote: »

It's difficult to see how the SNP could match the level of incompetence and corruption the electorate expect from their rivals, let alone exceed it.

Oh I have no doubt Labour are equally useless.

But it's not Labour, or the Tories, or the Lib Dems, who were willing to risk the future and prosperity of everyone in Scotland.

You're a bright guy Zag - you surely have to understand the truly horrific consequences we'd now be dealing with if the vote had gone the other way and we were only 90 days away from Separation... Just as the oil revenues an iScotland would be wholly dependant on went negative for the first time in history.

And the galling thing is, they knew the risks that they were taking with everyones lives, and were willing to gamble anyway.

The leaked Swinney cabinet memo was very clear on that point.

They understood full well that if oil did what it has now done an iScotland would be severely affected.

Generali

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Oh I have no doubt Labour are equally useless.

But it's not Labour, or the Tories, or the Lib Dems, who were willing to risk the future and prosperity of everyone in Scotland.

You're a bright guy Zag - you surely have to understand the truly horrific consequences we'd now be dealing with if the vote had gone the other way and we were only 90 days away from Separation... Just as the oil revenues an iScotland would be wholly dependant on went negative for the first time in history.

And the galling thing is, they knew the risks that they were taking with everyones lives, and were willing to gamble anyway.

The leaked Swinney cabinet memo was very clear on that point.

They understood full well that if oil did what it has now done an iScotland would be severely affected.

The worst part about that is that the SNP when they say, 'Vote for independence' is really saying, 'vote to dismantle the NHS and welfare state'. Independence threatens the well-being of the constituency that the SNP claims to represent.