Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Shakethedisease

zagubov wrote: »

That's the way it is. The one consoling thought is that everything that affects Scotland badly can be blamed on that decision.

The unionists won, all negative interactions between the UK and Scotland fall on their plate.;)

The chess pieces in place are already completely different from last year.

Tory majority when a lot of No voters were hoping and thought it would be a Labour one. I do wonder how the vote would've went if folks had known what would happen in May. There was a definite Yes majority in one of the polls leading up to the ref when pollsters asked which way people would vote if they thought there was a Conservative government in the offing.

The Vow is in tatters. Nothing like what a lot of people thought was being offered. Being kicked out of the EU ( my goodness when I think back to the acres of posts I made on that issue here ! )..a laughable thought when the Leave/Remain vote is sitting at 50/50 for the UK leaving. Oil prices are down, but for all the slevering about them, support for independence has only ever risen despite the falls. Sturgeon not Salmond. Jobs being lost despite promises.. UK Labour in complete meltdown, Scottish Labour just as bad. And to top it all off, the Tories want to take us all into another war in the middle east !

All change. We'll have to see how it all plays out.

Shakethedisease

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Which is of course completely irrelevant.

The point is that the oil price did fall, and we're damn lucky Scotland didn't vote for indy, as the results would have been catastrophic.

So all ok then if oil prices rise again are they ? Fab !!!

Well ?

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

The chess pieces in place are already completely different from last year.

Tory majority when a lot of No voters were hoping and thought it would be a Labour one. I do wonder how the vote would've went if folks had known what would happen in May. There was a definite Yes majority in one of the polls leading up to the ref when pollsters asked which way people would vote if they thought there was a Conservative government in the offing.

The Vow is in tatters. Nothing like what a lot of people thought was being offered. Being kicked out of the EU ( my goodness when I think back to the acres of posts I made on that issue here ! )..a laughable thought when the Leave/Remain vote is sitting at 50/50 for the UK leaving. Oil prices are down, but for all the slevering about them, support for independence has only ever risen despite the falls. Sturgeon not Salmond. Jobs being lost despite promises.. UK Labour in complete meltdown, Scottish Labour just as bad. And to top it all off, the Tories want to take us all into another war in the middle east !

All change. We'll have to see how it all plays out.

goodness me

you are saying that the scots voted on the expectation of a single 5 year term of the UK parliament ?
even I wouldn't have been so disrespectful of the scots' intelligence: but you know them better than I,

kabayiri

elantan wrote: »

No I've never been ... have a few friends that stay there they seem to like it. .. yep they say things are very expensive ... buy they also earn a lot more and can afford things ... there's always two sides isn't there

To use Norway as a baseline, you'd have to go back over 3 decades in time to the point where they made a conscious decision to create a wealth fund. They also have high prices / higher taxes / higher wages.

The UK never implemented a wealth fund, and we have had consistently low taxes for a couple of decades.

It would be an interesting exercise to imagine a Norwegian style economy bordering rUK. Canny Scots would be forever shopping down in the English cities to make their money go further. The higher prices in Scottish shopping malls would see to this.

elantan

If only we would've thought about an oil fund ... if only someone had suggested it ... sigh

CLAPTON

elantan wrote: »

If only we would've thought about an oil fund ... if only someone had suggested it ... sigh

it would have required a budget SURPLUS : scotland would have had to spend a lot less every year for the last 30 years or increased taxes

which would you have chosen?

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

elantan wrote: »

If only we would've thought about an oil fund ... if only someone had suggested it ... sigh

Unless you have a time machine and can go back to the 1960's to start one it makes absolutely no difference now.

We're talking about Indy now, not many decades ago, and the situation now is that there is no wealth fund and oil is a busted flush.

Saudi Arabia has one of the biggest Sovereign wealth funds in the World, and with oil at current prices Saudi is running a deficit similar to the levels an independent Scotland would.

About 16% of GDP.

At this rate of drawdown from their wealth fund Saudi will be bankrupt in around 5 years.

You wanted to put that same gun to Scotland's head.... Without the cushion of one of the World's biggest wealth fund to save us.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

CLAPTON wrote: »

it would have required a budget SURPLUS : scotland would have had to spend a lot less every year for the last 30 years or increased taxes

which would you have chosen?

Well even if you allocated most North Sea revenue to Scotland there's only 1 year with a surplus in the last 15 years.

And only 3 years where Scotland's deficit in % terms was lower than the UK's.

zagubov

When's the best time to plant a tree? 100 years ago.
When's the second best time? Right now.

CLAPTON

zagubov wrote: »

When's the best time to plant a tree? 100 years ago.
When's the second best time? Right now.

good thinking

I'm sure that aunty nicola and the usual acolytes here, will welcome your suggestion that they should sharply increase taxes and slash spending, with immediate effect.
I guess the money could be stashed away in a secret RBS bank a/c.