Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

Nicola Sturgeon:



The unit firing a teacher in order to keep the drinks budget topped up:

http://menzieshill.ea.dundeecity.sch.uk/departments/young-mothers-unit

Out of Government it's very easy to mock the Tories and Labour for pushing through unpopular decisions because it's the right thing to do. Cutting the drinks budget would be very unpopular with the Council. The mums at the Menzieshill YMU can't vote of course so can't register a complaint about this.

Generali.. please do a Google search for this week and last about 'Jim Murphy alcohol, football matches'... Then when you've read a few of the many, many fawning articles the Scottish press have put out this week and last.. and you can tell me you agree with all of them... Particularly taking into account domestic violence groups and police advice on the issue. Then we can talk Scotland and Alcohol. Ok ? Other than that. I'd suggest you shush on it. Because you have no idea.

Contrast Jim Murphy's latest 'wheeze' with this.. then get back to me.

SCOTLAND is starting to make progress in the battle against booze after new figures showed a dramatic fall in alcohol-related deaths...
...A report by the Office for National Statistics (ONS) found Scotland still had the highest alcohol-related death rate in the UK in 2013, but was the only country with significantly lower rates than a decade ago. The decline is believed to be down to the impact of the recession and a number of initiatives to reduce alcohol consumption including the scrapping of multi-buy deals.
Barbara O'Donnell, deputy chief executive of Alcohol Focus Scotland, welcomed the decline in deaths, but warned there was much work still to be done.
She said: "It is obviously good news that alcohol-related deaths in Scotland have fallen in recent years, but the rate is higher than in England and Wales and higher than twenty years ago.
"Twenty-one Scottish people are still dying because of alcohol every single week and every alcohol-related death is a tragedy for the person, the family and friends they leave behind.
"We know what preventative action works - making alcohol less affordable, less available, and less visible. Minimum unit pricing is a really important measure which will increase the price of the cheapest, strongest drinks and ultimately, save lives."

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/alcohol-deaths-in-scotland-fall-sharply.118323900

Generali

Not sure what that has to do with sacking a teacher.

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

Not sure what that has to do with sacking a teacher.

Sorry.. I forgot this...The 'bigger picture' if you will re teacher numbers. But by all mean's concentrate faux outrage on just the one in Hamish's post and alcohol. Try the House of Lords champagne budget mabye. Jim Murphy has gone a bundle on alcohol this week too.

Am also not quite sure why in a general politics thread, we're talking about one single story in a local newspaper regarding a single teacher ? But am happy to go along with it if you are.

Scotland's councils have taken legal advice over Scottish government plans to withhold money from any local authorities that cut teacher numbers.
Local authority body Cosla has also produced research questioning whether there is a direct link between the number of teachers and attainment.
Cosla wants the government to reopen talks over the issue.
But teaching union the EIS described Cosla's research paper as "bizarre and misleading".
The Scottish government, which says ministers have acted legally at every stage, wants to stop the number of teachers in schools across the country falling any further.
Finance Secretary John Swinney has allocated more than £10.85bn for councils in his budget for 2015-16.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-31480722

I think a number of councils want to take the Scottish Govt to court so they can cut teacher numbers, yet retain their budgets. but of course will be the first to complain when teaching standards fall. Bizarre.

skintmacflint

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Jam tomorrow.. has been the catch-phrase of Labour in Scotland for the last 40 odd years. So don't even go there.

Providing links to back up what one posts or asserts to support it is something I always do. It provides context. And is rather more informative than just sitting in front of the pc thinking... 'I know, I'll post up something about 'costing 14 billion' and '3 years' dreamt up from the 'windmills of my mind' in order to support my distaste for the SNP.

Feel free to do so. But I'll feel equally free to ask you where you got your figures from when you post them. As I would absolutely expect others to ask me should I ever post something like 'SNP to bring 14 billion to Scotland in investments over next 3 years'.... 'Windmills of my Mind' or 'scary thoughts' doesn't really do it for me personally. Because it certainly wouldn't for you either if it was the other way round. Let's be honest.

Shakey in your defensive rants you're still nitpicking while totally missing the observation I was making about jam tomorrow voters, and the implications of them..

Your comment of ' something like SNP to bring 14 billion in investments to Scotland over the next 3 years, shows you had no idea what I meant, or was referring to , and still don't.

The trouble with you Shakey is you're so absorbed in your springboard defence of everything Independence , and SNP , you're losing your reasoning powers.And if I may be so bold your Scottish sense of humour by failing to comprehend an observation with a short tongue in cheek closing comment.

The same kind of observation and closing comment your beloved Ex (allegedly) FM and leader has been using for years. What's good for the goose etc obviously doesn't sit well with your new frame of mind.

I accept you didn't get it, and maybe if you had still wouldn't like it, but you wouldn't have went off the wrong track. But that's selective nitpicking for you. It closes the mind. Still no need to start throwing your toys out the pram, with challenges of ''so don't even go there' , and yet another (yawn) reference to Labour. Don't you know Labour are old hat in today's allegedly new politically awakened and engaged Scotland.

As for comments of 'scary thoughts 'not doing it for you, I read many comments on this forum, including some of yours which don't do much for me to be honest. But fortunately I don't feel driven to respond to each and everyone of them , including yours. Lol.

kabayiri

Generali wrote: »

Not sure what that has to do with sacking a teacher.

Teacher -> Teachers -> Whisky -> Scotch Whisky -> Drink -> Straws -> Clutching at Straws -> Shakey

.string.

@elantan - The story so far:

CLAPTON >>> in addition to all the other interesting political situations, we can perhaps celebrate Scotland as the first home nation to be a single party state.
They could make a song about it ..........

string >>>I suggest a title for the song --- "Jam Tomorrow"

elantan >>> och we had Jam tomorrow from the BT campaign ... you'll need to come up with better than that

string >>> You've got that wrong elanten, that's what the Scottish voters concluded about the Yes Conpaign.

Elantan >>>> Its what they were promised from the BT campaign ... I know i was here ... was you

I was traveling all over the place during the lead-up to the Referendum, on the actual date I was in Spain. But I suppose since the Yes Conpaign was all over the place so I was in one sense co-located. But I read a lot about it not least in these here forums. I read all of that because it was an issue of considerable importance to my country (and yours) which is GB.

But to get back to the Jam tomorrow train of thought.

The thrust of the No lot was that a material issue was the better financial situation which comes Scotland’s way as a result of being in the Union.

Since the vote was No, that was “delivered” and you are enjoying the “jam” as you read this.

You may have noticed that Scotland is not now waiting to become an economic basket case, the oil revenue having plunged, and Scotland still continuing to use the Pound as a fully backed currency for Scotland, there is still a large financial sector in Scotland, although how long that will last if the SNP continues is anyone’s guess, a number of contracts are being awarded to the Scottish Marine Sector, an English Boycot of Scottish goods has not happened, and funding from the Barnett formula and other subsidies continue to flow etc. etc, and the Vow made to Scotland by Cameron, Miliband and Clegg is progressing and is on schedule (unless the SNP sabotages it and it is withdrawn or put on hold as, no doubt, the SNP would dearly like regardless of that damage that would do). And last but not least, Scotland is not about to leave the EU, regardless of the result of that other Referendum
if the Tories win the GE.

Of course the Yes Conpaign’s promises cannot be tested in the same way because they lost, but it’s clear that Scotland would now be looking at a future in 1 year's time of a step change economic downturn towards mediocrity if they had won the day.

Oh – and how could I forget, the SNP promised to work after the Referendum, whoever won, for the benefit of both Scotland and the UK as a whole, a promise which has most definitely not been delivered with no sign whatsoever that will change.

.string.

Nice one kabayiri.

@skintmacflint - you put it well.

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

Teacher -> Teachers -> Whisky -> Scotch Whisky -> Drink -> Straws -> Clutching at Straws -> Shakey

I think you may be confusing me with Hamish and his wee council level clutching at straws. Alcohol was mentioned by both him and Clapton, then Generali jumped on the council politics bandwagon.

This week in Scottish politics.. we've had some councils all over the newspapers threatening to take the Scottish Govt to court in order to CUT teacher numbers. ( relevant to the Hamish's post ). I provided a link.

Jim Murphy all over our TV screens advocating a return to allowing booze at football matches. ( Clapton stated something about alcohol being a contributory factor re young mum's).. So Jim's latest voting winning policy is relevant obviously in terms of social/alcohol effects and who exactly is promoting MORE of it in Scottish society.

Jim Murphy has called for an alcohol ban at Scottish football games to be overturned, claiming the rule reeks of "class prejudice".
The teetotal Scottish Labour leader spoke out against the ban, which was imposed after a riot at the 1980 Scottish Cup final between Rangers and Celtic, as he launched a public consultation into the issue.

The East Renfrewshire MP urged the authorities to stop treating football fans like "second class citizens".

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/labours-jim-murhpy-makes-boozy-bid-woo-scottish-football-fans-1488088

I'd say it was yourself who isn't quite up to date with news and current affairs these days. Alcohol and Teachers have been much discussed. You'd rather I didn't do so here then ? But Hamish is ok to discuss daft local council decisions at his leisure is he ?

I think we both know who's clutching at straws.

Shakethedisease

skintmacflint wrote: »

Shakey in your defensive rants you're still nitpicking while totally missing the observation I was making about jam tomorrow voters, and the implications of them..

Your comment of ' something like SNP to bring 14 billion in investments to Scotland over the next 3 years, shows you had no idea what I meant, or was referring to , and still don't.

The trouble with you Shakey is you're so absorbed in your springboard defence of everything Independence , and SNP , you're losing your reasoning powers.And if I may be so bold your Scottish sense of humour by failing to comprehend an observation with a short tongue in cheek closing comment.

The same kind of observation and closing comment your beloved Ex (allegedly) FM and leader has been using for years. What's good for the goose etc obviously doesn't sit well with your new frame of mind.

I accept you didn't get it, and maybe if you had still wouldn't like it, but you wouldn't have went off the wrong track. But that's selective nitpicking for you. It closes the mind. Still no need to start throwing your toys out the pram, with challenges of ''so don't even go there' , and yet another (yawn) reference to Labour. Don't you know Labour are old hat in today's allegedly new politically awakened and engaged Scotland.

As for comments of 'scary thoughts 'not doing it for you, I read many comments on this forum, including some of yours which don't do much for me to be honest. But fortunately I don't feel driven to respond to each and everyone of them , including yours. Lol.

And you, are personalising this too much.. There's jam tomorrow, then there's just out and out lying by the Scottish Labour party.
I still have plenty of reasoning powers. And I know enough to know when Scottish Labour are trying to take people for complete fools. In a mad, desperate attempt to 'win back' the 40% of them who voted Yes last Sept. SNP= BAD sadly for Labour just isn't working out.

Why don't you apply some of your wonderful own 'springboard defence's' in order to nit pick on some of the below. I look forward to your logical and balanced critique. But I certainly won't be holding my breath waiting for it.

Jim Murphy deletes video and tweet after making false claims about cancelled hospital operations in Scotland based on misread figures..

...The Scottish Labour leader released a video on Monday accusing Scottish ministers of covering up a far higher rate of cancelled operations than in England, after data for the Greater Glasgow and Clyde health board (NHSGGC) suggested it was nearly four times greater. Posing outside Glasgow Royal Infirmary, the Scottish Labour leader said that was more evidence of growing strain on resources. “Our NHS is too important to be silenced by SNP ministers embarrassed by politically inconvenient statistics,” he said.
But Labour admitted on Tuesday it had got the figures wrong,

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/feb/17/scottish-labour-leader-deletes-youtube-video-nhs-stats-wrong

Jim Murphy's been fiddling NHS stats...and deleting his tweets...

Mr Murphy stated: ''The SNP A&E crisis is seeing operations cancelled across the country but Scots aren't getting the true picture because the SNP Government in Edinburgh refuses to publish the information."
But the SNP insisted the figures from England only included surgeries which were postponed for non-clinical reasons - such as a shortage of beds, lack of staff or emergencies cases taking priority - while the total from NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde covered all cancelled operations.

"He must now return to the Glasgow Royal and post a similar video - this time apologising to staff and patients.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/snp-jim-murphys-been-fiddling-nhs-statsand-deleting-his-tweets.1424188161

Well caught out. And he's made himself a total laughing stock all over social media for this. His tweet and video can still be viewed elsewhere.

As for the complete nonsense about you throwing about figures like 14 billion and then getting all huffy when I ask where you get them from ? Well excuse me for trying to make sense of any of your posts ( apart from SNP=bad which I get loud and clear ). Are you really saying you can post any figures you like up as 'facts' but not expect to be asked about them ?

If you do, well..ok. I'll just ignore the posts like that in future. Wouldn't want to upset you by actually debating points or issues based on facts, even disputed ones, I suppose. That's fine.. but honestly ? Leave the really bad attempts at some sort of character assessment on complete strangers (based on forum posts) to the experts. Concentrating on debatable issues is a much better use of one's time in a debate forum. Am sure you'll agree. I'm not in the slightest bothered about what you feel 'driven' to do with your own time online, or here. Nor should you care about what I do.

ps We've seen the impacts of decades of Labour's jam tomorrow. I said don't go there because it's just so amusing to see someone seriously using it as some sort of weird, ironic argument against the SNP.

skintmacflint

.string. wrote: »

Nice one kabayiri.

@skintmacflint - you put it well.

Not as well as your attempt a few pages earlier, and it seems to have met the same fate. Seems to be happening with increased frequency lately.

Can't comment on previous discussions, but think party immersion is maybe now complete.