Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Sapphire

For those that argue that the Conservatives alarmed the English in particular by 'stoking up English nationalism' with some kind of anti-SNP/Labour stance, they did not do that in my view.

Nicola Sturgeon's remarkably hostile rhetoric very obviously did that all on its own. I do not think that the majority of the English welcome the sort of sectarianism that Sturgeon and Salmon advocate – particularly in view of how sectarianism is currently operating in countries in the Middle East (for example). I also think that many people in other parts of the UK object to the fact that Scotland receives preferential treatment over the rest of the Kingdom (I think at the expense of British taxpayers), and they were concerned that should the SNP enter into some kind of pact with labour, this problem would be intensified.

Thankfully, common sense prevailed, and hopefully this government will ensure that the whole of the United Kingdom is treated fairly.

IveSeenTheLight

kabayiri wrote: »

Cameron was playing Labour more than the SNP is my argument.

I would say he played the electorate using Labour and the SNP as his scaremongering mantra

kabayiri

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

I would say he played the electorate using Labour and the SNP as his scaremongering mantra

Yes, but Labour and SNP were using the destruction of the NHS as a scaremongering mantra against the Tories.

They are all at it. Let's face it.

Labour and Ed had ample time to deal with the Tory tactic. They/he just didn't deal with it well enough.

Voltaire7

MumOf2 wrote: »

Quite frankly, the SNP just come over as a moaning irrelevance when it comes to viewing the bigger picture of UK politics and economics. 1.4 million votes - crickey that just represents a few good sized constituencies in England. And Nicola Sturgeon accompanied them to London today - good grief, can't they move an inch without her? We've just had a weekend back visiting friends in Edinburgh and they're just horrified by the SNP hijacking of the saltire, Scottish culture and Scotland as a whole. The SNP DO NOT speak for Scotland, they just speak for SNP voters, that's all.

Unfortunately for you they do speak for Scotland as that is what the people of Scotland voted for.

Maybe just stick to being a mum, deary

Voltaire7

CLAPTON wrote: »

Your knowledge of Scottish history is quite appalling.

I haven't time to compensate for the shocking education system in Scotland

Wait a minute. You're the guy who thinks 'would of' is proper English.

'Would have' contracts to 'would've', not 'would of'

Silly old fool.

Tromking

In the harsh reality of big boy politics at Westminster I fully expect the Tories to tear the SNP a new one in time.
Burgeoning English Nationalism coupled with the totally untenable economic case for FFA/FFR, Independence, Home Rule or any other such pipe dream gives the Tories a strong hand IMO.
Jock, I think the salad days are coming to an end!:)

CLAPTON

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Lets be clear, Labour lost both in Scotland and in England.

You are also correct in that Cameron stoked up an English Nationalism in order to succeed in this election.

I absolutely abhor negative campaigning and this we would have a much more progressive country and forward thinking if we moved on from this.

Unfortunately, as verified by this election, fear and scaremongering wins over the electorate

indeed so

the way that Nicola vilified the Tories shows that fear and scaremongering certainly worked in Scotland.

Maybe if you changed the phrase 'more progressive' to more borrowing' you might improve the quality of the debate or you could try to explain why giving handouts of £100,000s to rich parents is considered 'progressive ' among the SNP.

wotsthat

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

You are also correct in that Cameron stoked up an English Nationalism in order to succeed in this election.

I usually vote labour. I didn't this time - not because of any English nationalism but because I didn't want to see nationalism in any form in government.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Of those that did vote 50.4% voted for the SNP.

Of the registered and eligible to vote electorate, only 35% voted SNP.

The SNP is not any more representative of the Scottish electorate than the YES campaign (which got 38% of registered voter support) was.

Under the skew inherent to FPTP voting systems they've got a lot of seats, I'll grant you that, but they do not speak for Scotland.

Voltaire7

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Of the registered and eligible to vote electorate, only 35% voted SNP.

The SNP is not any more representative of the Scottish electorate than the YES campaign (which got 38% of registered voter support) was.

Under the skew inherent to FPTP voting systems they've got a lot of seats, I'll grant you that, but they do not speak for Scotland.

Only 35%?

They Conservatives hardly represent the UK with their 24.4%

75% of the UK got a government they never voted for.

The SNP are far more representative of the electorate than the Conservatives are; that's indisputable.