Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

kabayiri

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

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I ask you, why is Scotland's revenues so reliant on oil and why is it not diverse enough?
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Large parts of the UK have struggled to adapt to the new economic reality. It's a harsh truth; one we have to face up to.

It's as true for the shipbuilding industry up in Scotland as it is with the demise of the coal industry in Wales; Yorkshire; etc.

London had an opportunity to become one of the premier financial capitals in the world. It was an opportunity the UK took. If we did not do this, Frankfurt or Tokyo or NY would have grabbed the same opportunities.

The financial sector did very well for places like Edinburgh too. It's not just a London thing.

Perhaps the Scottish reliance on the oil industry lowered the desire to investigate new business opportunities? I think the UK has become a bit complacent with many things.

IveSeenTheLight

kabayiri wrote: »

I think the UK has become a bit complacent with many things.

I agree, hence why there is a desire for a change from the traditional politics, especially in those further removed from London.

kabayiri

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

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hmmmm, it only creates resentment because those constituencies resent the centralism that currently prevails.

People in the NW have had to live with the reality of London being the powerhouse for some time now.

It's not like Scotland has some exclusive right on feeling hard done by.

We can either resent, or work harder to bring work back.

I know what I prefer.

kabayiri

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

I agree, hence why there is a desire for a change from the traditional politics, especially in those further removed from London.

I guess we differ in our expectations from the political sector then.

I think businesses can attract new work and grow if you let them. Provide them with the skills base needed; and make sure there is a degree of consistency in policy over many years so they can plan.

Politicians just love to spend our money. They want the adulation that comes back from free prescriptions; free laptops for low income families; generous working tax credits. They don't seem so concerned with ensuring we pay the borrowing back.

I think politics alone can not transform the economy.

IveSeenTheLight

kabayiri wrote: »

People in the NW have had to live with the reality of London being the powerhouse for some time now.

It's not like Scotland has some exclusive right on feeling hard done by.

We can either resent, or work harder to bring work back.

I know what I prefer.

I agree with most of your post.
The difference between NW and Scotland is that the NW have never been a country and it's the country which the majority have voters which have united behind one party.

It was interesting that we heard from representatives in constituencies outwith Scotland who were asking if they could vote SNP

Incidentally, I agree that we need to work hard to alter the economy and business within Scotland. It just would be easier to do so with the appropriate powers devolved.

IveSeenTheLight

kabayiri wrote: »

I guess we differ in our expectations from the political sector then.

I think it's interesting that we are talking about the SNP vote (Scotland) but also see other parties doing well outside centralised London i.e. UKIP, Plaid Cymru, DUP, Greens.

CLAPTON

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

I agree with most of your post.
The difference between NW and Scotland is that the NW have never been a country and it's the country which the majority have voters which have united behind one party.

It was interesting that we heard from representatives in constituencies outwith Scotland who were asking if they could vote SNP

What exactly is a 'country' and
how exactly do the people of a country differ from those of a region of the earth?
How do you recognise the people of a Scotland compared say to Yorkshire?

Is it because the air is different there?
Or the love of the fatherland?
Or are the genetic makeup is different?

just love to know.

How long exactly have the Scots been 'united' behind one party?
Is a one party state a desirable thing ?
Is the SNP planning to abolish elections as a waste of money (lots or precedents in one party states for that?

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

If you see a poster that is anti-SNP as being anti-Scottish I think it's fair to say you conflate Scotland and the SNP.

The term aJockalypse is just a joke. Rather like when the English cricket team was beaten 5-0 by the West Indies it was termed a Blackwash. Neither term is racist, it's just a play on words.

It wasn't viewed as a 'joke'. It was said by the London Mayor during a General Election campaign in which he was seeking votes. Not a comedy roadshow.

I didn't say it was racist. I said it was anti-Scottish in tone. It hardened SNP support because people saw it that way. End of story. Not just myself, but hundreds of thousands who saw those posters, and heard Boris Johnson and read the 'rivers of blood' articles, and heard Theresa May state that SNP MP's wouldn't be legitimate.

It was far from a 'joke' up here I can assure you. Many political commentators pointed it out too. And how the end game for the UK is nearing because of it.

During the six weeks of campaigning, nothing - not a thing - said by Cameron, Miliband and Clegg made an impression on SNP poll numbers. As it turns out, opinion was hardening...

The claim by Labour in Scotland that a vote for the SNP was somehow the agent of Cameron's victory is as nonsensical now as it was during the campaign. Simple arithmetic proves it: Labour could have won every last one of the seats in Scotland and still fallen short of the Tory total. If Scottish Labour choose to assert, cravenly, that the prospect of SNP influence over Miliband scared English voters towards Cameron they either do not understand what they are saying, or understand well enough and don't care.


If true, what does it mean? That Scottish voters should have declined the choice of a lawful party and declared themselves subordinate to the prejudices of English voters? If that's the case, there's no place for us within the UK. Does it mean, equally, that voters in England will simply not countenance the participation of properly-elected Scottish MPs within a government they regard as theirs alone? If so, the road is the same and it leads in one direction only.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/comment/columnists/the-scottish-national-party-has-shredded-the-infinitely-complacent-declarations-o.125505712


Keep those 'jokes' coming though. If it's the end of the UK you're after.

Shakethedisease

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

I think a rather interesting article has just popped up in "The National" today, written by the new SNP MP for East Lothian, George Keravan, who also just happens to be an economist....

Here's a quote....
Finally....

The SNP have admitted that all the indref rhetoric about 'sending Westminster more than we get back' was a load of tripe.

Although "inbuilt fiscal balancing" is a bit wordy....

Why not just use the word "subsidy"? :rotfl:

Geroge wants Scottish independence Hamish, as he thinks Scotland would be better off overall. Like you say, he's an economist. You must've missed that bit out. ( and the article was 3 days ago ) talking federalism, v's FFA.

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

It wasn't viewed as a 'joke'. It was said by the London Mayor during a General Election campaign in which he was seeking votes. Not a comedy roadshow.

I didn't say it was racist. I said it was anti-Scottish in tone. It hardened SNP support because people saw it that way. End of story. Not just myself, but hundreds of thousands who saw those posters, and heard Boris Johnson and read the 'rivers of blood' articles, and heard Theresa May state that SNP MP's wouldn't be legitimate.

It was far from a 'joke' up here I can assure you. Many political commentators pointed it out too. And how the end game for the UK is nearing because of it. http://www.heraldscotland.com/comment/columnists/the-scottish-national-party-has-shredded-the-infinitely-complacent-declarations-o.125505712


Keep those 'jokes' coming though. If it's the end of the UK you're after.

I'd recommend a thicker skin.