Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

skintmacflint

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Ha ha if I took things personally I'd have left this forum and threads like these running screaming years ago.

Labour... yes, I thought so.

Older, more traditional Labour voter, who still refers to the SNP as Tartan Tories, never having got over 1979 and hates them with a vengence. Still has vague hopes that Labour will return to it's socialist/Clydeside-esque roots someday.. so keep ( reluctantly ) voting for them, because they 'always have' so pretend it's 'strategic'.

Unless you don't live in Scotland any more.. in which case it's 'the best of a bad bunch'.

Those polls, Labour was behind in every single age group except for the over 65's ! Isn't that interesting. But anyway, thanks for letting us know. It levels the mud-slinging a bit.;)

You're right on 2 points, I'm of the older generation, and I do live in Scotland. Unfortunately the rest is more than a little off course. But never mind you tried your best I imagine.

Shakethedisease

skintmacflint wrote: »

You're right on 2 points, I'm of the older generation, and I do live in Scotland. Unfortunately the rest is more than a little off course. But never mind you tried your best I imagine.

Well, if you're not a traditional old-style Labour voter ( and to be honest I was describing my 64 year old dad ), and it's a reluctant 'strategic' vote. Then there are actually three points I was right on.. 1) Older generation, 2) Living in Scotland.. and 3 ) Hate the SNP enough to vote strategically against them even though a natural Lib Dem or Tory voter. Which is on the face of it.. pretty 'hold yer nose' stuff.

But anyway, your vote and the reasoning behind it is entirely up to you. I respect whatever you feel is right. There will be no more mud slinging from me on it anyway. But is always nice to have all cards on the table when one is debating politics I suppose.

skintmacflint

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Well, if you're not a traditional old-style Labour voter ( and to be honest I was describing my 64 year old dad ), and it's a reluctant 'strategic' vote. Then there are actually three points I was right on.. 1) Older generation, 2) Living in Scotland.. and 3 ) Hate the SNP enough to vote strategically against them even though a natural Lib Dem or Tory voter. Which is on the face of it.. pretty 'hold yer nose' stuff.

But anyway, your vote and the reasoning behind it is entirely up to you. I respect whatever you feel is right. There will be no more mud slinging from me on it anyway. But is always nice to have all cards on the table when one is debating politics I suppose.

I have thanked this post. Hate doesn't come in to it here, it's tactical , which is no different from what Nicola is urging voters to do this coming May.

As are many of my younger extended family members aged between 18 and 37, who also intend to vote Labour and Lib Dem for tactical reasons too in May.

Some are these family members are professional people too. It really is a myth that only the older Labour die hard generation in Scotland voted against SNP Scotland last year.

Anyway back to the discussion, and another question. When SNP first gained 35 seats in the Scottish parliament , Salmond commented on the difficulty of keeping such a number of inexperienced parliamentary members under control. Said it was like herding cats.

How do you think Nicola will fare if SNP manage to gain this amount of new seats or more at Westminster. I think she might have her work cut out for her, in more ways than one.

ruggedtoast

Good grief. Three pages discussing some rollox by someone called Weegiewarbler.

padington

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Just a quick point as it's school run time.. but Scotch whisky can't actually be called Scotch whisky unless it's a pure scottish product.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotch_whisky

One day your brand will fall in favour and you guys won't be able to make 'hong' or 'yin' whiskey of the future.

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

No, the important bit with stats is that the errors net to zero which the NSO ones appear to do

Don't forget that whilst Harris Tweed exports are being booked to England, taxes and exports from RBS and HBOS are being booked to Scotland. Those will be substantial figures. They employ 190,000 people between them so presumably their income tax, NI, ccorporation tax etc is booked to Scotland.

By comparison, there are a little under 11,000 employees in the Scottish Whisky industry.

Tesco, Sainsbury's, M + S, Asda,.. and any other shopping chain or in fact anyone who makes or sells stuff in Scotland with HQ's outwith Scotland ? There's far more to this that just whisky, harris tweed and banking.

But it doesn't matter. The point was transparency. No-one knows for sure as the figures are all over the place as to who and where gets the 'credit'. Time to open those books for some non-vested interest perusal. The civil service and most certainly the UK Treasury can't be presumed to be impartial on things like this. Neither side can.

20 Jan 2015

Speaking at the inaugural meeting of the Strand Group in a lecture at the Treasury entitled “The Treasury and the Union”, Sir Nicholas Macpherson, the permanent secretary to the Treasury, reportedly said that in such an “extreme” case as last year’s referendum, the normal rules of civil service impartiality “do not apply”.
The remarks are the latest concern that civil service impartiality was breached by both the UK and Scottish governments during the independence referendum.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/snp-calls-for-civil-service-impartiality-probe-1-3667436

Shakethedisease

skintmacflint wrote: »

I have thanked this post. Hate doesn't come in to it here, it's tactical , which is no different from what Nicola is urging voters to do this coming May.

As are many of my younger extended family members aged between 18 and 37, who also intend to vote Labour and Lib Dem for tactical reasons too in May.

Some are these family members are professional people too. It really is a myth that only the older Labour die hard generation in Scotland voted against SNP Scotland last year.

It's also a myth that the SNP are only picking up voters and Labour switchers from poorer and more disadvantaged areas and incomes.

First, the data reveals that among voters aged 60 and over – those who were said to have voted heavily against independence in last September’s referendum – support for the SNP now stands at 42 per cent. That is way above any other party preference. Those in this age category intending to vote Labour are at 31 per cent and, for the Conservatives, 16 per cent...

....Second, equally surprising, are voting intentions among those in the ABC1 socio-economic category. Here the SNP also looks to be an outstanding winner, with the percentage in this group intending to vote SNP in May standing at 52 per cent – way above Labour at 21 per cent and the Conservatives at 17 per cent.

All the usual caveats should be borne in mind about opinion polls and sampling methodology. And much can change between now and 7 May. But this survey would suggest that the momentum behind the SNP is not confined to disillusioned C2DEs in Labour constituencies. Indeed, voting intentions according to YouGov among C2DEs would appear to be slightly weaker for the SNP relative to those in the ABC1 category: 44 per cent here intending to vote SNP and 32 per cent Labour

http://www.scotsman.com/news/bill-jamieson-wealthiest-scots-behind-snp-surge-1-3680557

Anyway back to the discussion, and another question. When SNP first gained 35 seats in the Scottish parliament , Salmond commented on the difficulty of keeping such a number of inexperienced parliamentary members under control. Said it was like herding cats.

How do you think Nicola will fare if SNP manage to gain this amount of new seats or more at Westminster. I think she might have her work cut out for her, in more ways than one.

I don't know. I guess if Salmond, Hosie and Robertson are returned, they've all got a lot of experience in keeping discipline tight. And at the end of the day... returning enough MP's in order that there may be a 'herding cats' problem... would be a very good 'problem' to have.

Shakethedisease

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Good grief. Three pages discussing some rollox by someone called Weegiewarbler.

No different from the rollox discussed here by folks with names like 'ruggedtoast' and someone with a username taken from an obscure Depeche Mode track released in 1985.

elantan

I always liked Depeche Mode

skintmacflint

Shakethedisease wrote: »

It's also a myth that the SNP are only picking up voters and Labour switchers from poorer and more disadvantaged areas and incomes.

I don't know. I guess if Salmond, Hosie and Robertson are returned, they've all got a lot of experience in keeping discipline tight. And at the end of the day... returning enough MP's in order that there may be a 'herding cats' problem... would be a very good 'problem' to have.

Certainly the SNP councillor I know and some others who voted SNP are from affluent backgrounds, so I've never personally subscribed to that myth. Always felt it was a mix of the poorer disenfranchised, idealists and the colourful .

It seems The herding of cats has already started with some of the candidates being put forward.