Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

ruggedtoast

It is May the 7th!

Ed is girdling his courage and Sturgeon readies herself for Downing Street. Meanwhile Cameron fidgets nervously. As he should.

Generali

zagubov wrote: »

Need to go off and vote. As should all of us who can.;)

I can but don't.

Mostly because it is so utterly pointless where I would be voting and secondly I don't really feel I should vote in the UK as I don't live there.

IveSeenTheLight

chewmylegoff wrote: »

presumably you are as critical of the SNP as anyone else on this point given that the SNP are going around saying they will be able to dictate terms to Labour.

Are you referring to the joke Salmond made about approving the Labour budget?

It was said in jest.

Are you really so naive?

They have said a historical number of SNP's at Westminster would provide strength in negotiations.

It's looking like the SNP may get almost as much seats as Lib Dems did at the last election, however you can be sure that the SNP would not roll over like the Lib / Dems did.

IveSeenTheLight

Generali wrote: »

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11488369/Alex-Salmond-I-will-help-write-Ed-Balls-first-Budget.html

"I will propose an amendment to the budget to say that the {railway} starts at Edinburgh or Glasgow, what does Mr Balls do then?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VCM9wG_l9o

"I'm writing the Labour Party budget" [Yes, I know it's a joke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jya9EWB9_xA

Ask yourself this.
Was the Lib Dems involved in the coalition budget?

A little different this time in that it is likely that the SNP will not enter into a coalition, meaning it will likely be just Labours choice as a minority government, however as a minority government, they would be looking to get acceptance from ALL opposition parties in order to gain sufficient acceptance for it to be passed through.

With the Labour and SNP policies so similar, I'm sure there may be room for some minor adjustments.

Certainly not dictated to.

IveSeenTheLight

Generali wrote: »

http://www.thenational.scot/politics/sturgeon-snp-will-give-scots-more-power-and-influence-than-ever-before-at-westminster.2683



http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-31782734


(includes video for the avoidance of doubt.)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/SNP/11501734/Nicola-Sturgeon-The-SNP-will-shake-up-Westminster.html



I think it's reasonable to say that the SNP want to wield influence in Westminster.

What is wrong with any of these statements?

The previous largest delegate from the SNP to Westminster was 11 MP's This is set to be increased four or five fold.
That does give the SNP voice greater strength and influence at Westminster.

On a vote by vote basis, the minority government will need to work with the other parties and as stated before, with LAbour and SNP policies very similar, it would be easier for Labour to make minor adjustments to gain SNP votes.

The SNP could also "demand" an alternative to "slash and burn austerity", however how much variance they get from those demand may range from nothing to significant. It will all be part of the negotiation process.

P.S. I know I have cited just a minority Labour government as there have been clear stance that the SNP would not prop up the conservatives

CLAPTON

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Are you referring to the joke Salmond made about approving the Labour budget?

It was said in jest.

Are you really so naive?

They have said a historical number of SNP's at Westminster would provide strength in negotiations.

It's looking like the SNP may get almost as much seats as Lib Dems did at the last election, however you can be sure that the SNP would not roll over like the Lib / Dems did.

we can safely assume that all SNP voting on bills / issues will be on the following lines

-does it further independence? then vote YES
if it hinders independence then vote NO

-if neutral then does it provide more money for Scotland?
if YES then vote YES
if less money for Scotland then vote NO
(of course if it means more money for Scotland and less for Yorkshire then vote YES twice.)

If neutral both independence wise and money wise then consider if it is in the best interest of the UK

if yes, then vote NO

Of course, if the Tories propose something then vote NO on principle (unless free money for Scotland when all principles fly out the window).

If a matter is neutral Scottish wise (devolved matter) but harmful to England then obviously vote YES.

Any policy that involves borrowing more money then obviously vote YES


simple really

IveSeenTheLight

CLAPTON wrote: »

simple really

Not really.
You've fallen over at the first point

CLAPTON wrote: »

we can safely assume that all SNP voting on bills / issues will be on the following lines

-does it further independence? then vote YES
if it hinders independence then vote NO

Sturgeon has clearly stated that a vote for the SNP this election is not a vote for a second Independence referendum

elantan

CLAPTON wrote: »

we can safely assume that all SNP voting on bills / issues will be on the following lines

-does it further independence? then vote YES
if it hinders independence then vote NO

-if neutral then does it provide more money for Scotland?
if YES then vote YES
if less money for Scotland then vote NO
(of course if it means more money for Scotland and less for Yorkshire then vote YES twice.)

If neutral both independence wise and money wise then consider if it is in the best interest of the UK

if yes, then vote NO

Of course, if the Tories propose something then vote NO on principle (unless free money for Scotland when all principles fly out the window).

If a matter is neutral Scottish wise (devolved matter) but harmful to England then obviously vote YES.

Any policy that involves borrowing more money then obviously vote YES


simple really

Your hatred and lack of understanding is blinding today :eek:

CLAPTON

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Not really.
You've fallen over at the first point



Sturgeon has clearly stated that a vote for the SNP this election is not a vote for a second Independence referendum

As usual a meaningless statement as it avoids the issue of how the SNP will act.

Do you think that Nicola still wishes for and will work towards another referendum?

CLAPTON

elantan wrote: »

Your hatred and lack of understanding is blinding today :eek:

which of my statements do you disagree with?