Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Leanne1812

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

I can't link it, I heard it, pretty sure it was an excerpt of the seven way debate. Not the media, came out of her own mouth, no idea how she could block it but I did hear her say it.

I believe she asked for clarity on what would happen in the instance that the UK as a whole voted to leave the EU but Scotland voted to stay in. No response was given to my recollection.

Enterprise_1701C

Leanne1812 wrote: »

I believe she asked for clarity on what would happen in the instance that the UK as a whole voted to leave the EU but Scotland voted to stay in. No response was given to my recollection.

The point is that it should not even be a question. Scotland is part of the UK, the UK is a country as a whole. If a vote is carried and Scotland doesn't want to follow that vote it is like a small child telling daddy to drive his car over the cliff and daddy doing it. One small region of the UK should not be able to dictate what the whole of the UK does, as far as she is concerned she wants the whole of the UK to operate specifically to prop up Scotland.

elantan

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

One thing that got me is the statement Sturgeon previously made, that if the Europe referendum went ahead, and the UK as a whole voted to leave but Scotland voted to stay, then she would block it.

She obviously does not believe in democracy.

The SNP also seemed to believe that they would still be part of the EU if they had voted for independence.

They obviously can be a little bit on the silly side.

IF the SNP get any power through siding with labour then they will gain independence whether the Scots as a whole want it or not, they will be out of Europe, NATO and everything else that being part of the UK entitles them to. The Greatest result of this would be that it would be a long time before Labour had any chance to utterly ruin the rest of the UK again.

All I can say is that if Scotland get independence I hope they enjoy being in a dictatorship.

Oh, and if Scotland want to hang around and share the bounty of the new oil find then they are welcome to, we Brits are nice like that.

Do u not think it possible that maybe when we get independence people will vote differently? We have new parties forming as I write ... I sometimes wonder if maybe that coul be a reason for the SNP not wanting independence tbh

.string.

Yes she did say that Leanne, as far as I recall.

Enterprise - What you are remembering, I think, is an assertion she has made a number of times, that all "nations" in the UK should have a power of veto vis a vis leaving the EU. So claiming she should have a right to block it.

Of course there is no such veto, any individual's vote in the UK having the same weight.

skintmacflint

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Shakethedisease wrote: »

What do you think would happen if she announced a potential referendum now ? Or ruled one out completely for 20 years ? She has to play things very carefully at the moment. And I have to be honest, I and many, many others are getting heartily weary of hearing about neverendum's. Yes voters and the SNP seem to have moved on and are simply focused on this election and next. The only time we hear about neverendum's are from unionists.. constantly... on and on... Why do they do this ? Can you shed any light ?
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Don't disagree she has to play things carefully at the moment. She definitely looked taken aback at the level of audience disapproval over the prospect of going for FFA and another Ref in her 2016 manifesto.

Last night she was left vulnerable. Exposed for putting SNPs party aims ahead of the interests of the Scottish people. SNP can spin as much as they like on gradual transition, but that's certainly not the SNP plan.

Maybe she needs to start coming clean on the where this additional 15 billion onshore revenue by 2020 from economic growth she mentioned last night is coming from. While simultaneously claiming austerity has been choking economic growth.

As for your annoyance over the mention of a Neverendum, as you would say , get used to it!

Leanne1812

.string. wrote: »

Yes she did say that Leanne, as far as I recall.

Enterprise - What you are remembering, I think, is an assertion she has made a number of times, that all "nations" in the UK should have a power of veto vis a vis leaving the EU. So claiming she should have a right to block it.

Of course there is no such veto, any individual's vote in the UK having the same weight.

I'm pretty sure she asked what would happen in the instance that UK votes out and Scotland votes in. Of course Nicola knows she has no power to veto this issue. Possibly she was trying to point out that Scotland appears to want to stay in the EU yet the rest of the UK could force Scotland out.

And just last year we were threatened with being thrown out.... Oh the irony........

.string.

Leanne1812 wrote: »

I'm pretty sure she asked what would happen in the instance that UK votes out and Scotland votes in. Of course Nicola knows she has no power to veto this issue. Possibly she was trying to point out that Scotland appears to want to stay in the EU yet the rest of the UK could force Scotland out.

And just last year we were threatened with being thrown out.... Oh the irony........

It could also be that the UK votes stay in and the Scots want to leave.

You were not threatened with being chucked out of the EU, had you left the UK you would simultaneuosly have left the EU and would have had to wait to get back in when you got solvent again that is.

skintmacflint

elantan wrote: »

Do u not think it possible that maybe when we get independence people will vote differently? We have new parties forming as I write ... I sometimes wonder if maybe that coul be a reason for the SNP not wanting independence tbh

Don't think it works like that in practice Elantan. SNP were criticised for campaigning shamelessly in the White Paper, so weren't planning on giving up power. Salmond himself said 'the thing about power gained is , once you have it , you don't want to let it go. Not in specific relation to after the Ref, but it's still relevant.

If Yes had won, I think we'd have been looking at an SNP huge majority led government up here for the next decade at least. Quite handy being in power when Scotlands constitution is being drawn up as well.

As for other new parties, who is going to fund them. The people via social media or big businesses? Salmond himself said SNP would have run out of campaign funds if it hadn't been for the Weirs large donations.

ruggedtoast

With Sturgeon at the helm, Scotland is striding forward with new found confidence into blue skies. This Summer is going to be very interesting indeed.

elantan

skintmacflint wrote: »

Don't think it works like that in practice Elantan. SNP were criticised for campaigning shamelessly in the White Paper, so weren't planning on giving up power. Salmond himself said 'the thing about power gained is , once you have it , you don't want to let it go. Not in specific relation to after the Ref, but it's still relevant.

If Yes had won, I think we'd have been looking at an SNP huge majority led government up here for the next decade at least. Quite handy being in power when Scotlands constitution is being drawn up as well.

As for other new parties, who is going to fund them. The people via social media or big businesses? Salmond himself said SNP would have run out of campaign funds if it hadn't been for the Weirs large donations.

The people I imagine would fund them, as I say there are some people thinking of starting up just now, serious starting not just och you know what lets form a party starting.

RIC, WFI, CW all potentially could become a party, ( WFI would obviously have to alter )

I agree I think Nicola wont want to let go of the power she has ... and part of me does think maybe she really doesnt want independence, I think she does though ... but that wee bit in the background of my mind hasnt shut up.

I dont think it would be easy to get rid of SNP but I really would like to think that Scotland wont replace Labour with the SNP in Scotland, we need to be more progressive with our politics in this country, we should never just go back in our box once we get independence