Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Hyperbole much ? Gradualism..FFA wouldn't happen overnight. Not least because of the shock to the rest of the UK's economics as well.

The shock of the massive increase in cash available to the rest of the UK would be potentially inflationary but nothing that an increase in interest rates wouldn't be able to deal with.

How can you have half a fiscal autonomy? Your posts are increasingly ludicrous as you begin to understand the utter cluster .... that Scotland would be if your political fantasies came true.

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Nelson Mandela-Salmond can do anything.

elantan

He is in fine form just now, back to his wee hornet best... nae wonder I like him

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Yup - The SNP's Entertainment Manager.

elantan

Aye that could be described as one of his many roles, I think he relishes that one a fair bit just now tbh

ruggedtoast

Shakethedisease wrote: »

No, that's not what I said. I said there was a natural *political resolution and linked previously to Conservative home touting a federal solution ie Devo-max.

I didn't mention a full constitutional resolution. You need to get your head round the fact that the Tories are umming and awwing right now on just getting (effectively) rid of Scotland. If 50 SNP MP's go down to Westminster at the expense of Labour and Lib Dem ones, they may soon be mulling over the same.

50 MP's is unlikely, but a majority of SNP MP's from Scotland will suffice.

The scenario you envisage points to the other proper parties continually joining together to ensure the SNP never gets anything it wants, becauee it will be so toxic to the rest of the UK.

Voting against independence and then returning an SNP majority who everyone else hates, a few months later is the worst thing that Scotland could do for itself.

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

The shock of the massive increase in cash available to the rest of the UK would be potentially inflationary but nothing that an increase in interest rates wouldn't be able to deal with.

How can you have half a fiscal autonomy? Your posts are increasingly ludicrous as you begin to understand the utter cluster .... that Scotland would be if your political fantasies came true.

No, you're fixated on oil prices to the exclusion of everything else, political and economically. There's only so many times one can answer the exactly the same posts.

Please look up what the Smith Commission means by 'no detriment' then take it from there. And if you don't know what a gradual shifting of powers and responsibilities are, then I can't help you with that one.

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

No, you're fixated on oil prices to the exclusion of everything else, political and economically. There's only so many times one can answer the exactly the same posts.

Please look up what the Smith Commission means by 'no detriment' then take it from there. And if you don't know what a gradual shifting of powers and responsibilities are, then I can't help you with that one.

And until you understand how Scotland's potential fiscal situation has been utterly ruined by the fall in the oil price you will never understand how close you and your fellow travelers came to wrecking Scotland

So under no detriment Scotland and England are fiscally separated but there can be no change in the fiscal position of each...? That's what we economists call 'mental'. Either there is FFA or there isn't. If there is still a massive transfer of taxes from one place to another then there isn't fiscal autonomy.

You really aren't thinking this through at all. Do you want Scotland to be financially separate from England or not? It can't be both separate and connected all at the same time. Either let go of nanny's apron strings or hold on.

Shakethedisease

elantan wrote: »

He is in fine form just now, back to his wee hornet best... nae wonder I like him

Absolute masterstroke. Well played.

Realising that the Tories were going to put him the the middle of the election campaign whether he liked it or not. He jumps in with both feet. Completely neuters the endless Scottish Labour cries of 'Vote SNP get Tory', has the Tories apoplectic with rage over their own legislation re fixed term parliaments and how it works... and takes the heat completely off Nicola ( wrecking ball type headlines etc ) and on to himself as he's used to it. She's just been voted in a mega-yougov poll, as the most popular party leader... In England.

All Nicola has to do is concentrate on Scotland for the next few weeks, leaving Alex to annoy the right wing press down south.. then appear big time on the scene UK wide for leaders debates and the closing few weeks of the campaign.

I would prefer the SNP to lose the Scottish portion of the election but this morning I sensed my personal swingometer veering towards the SNP. This did not cheer me greatly, not least because I reckoned that if, albeit in a state of pre-caffeine irritation, I was tempted to look more fondly upon the Nationalists then many others must be likewise persuaded to do so too.


...Plainly, there’s no reason why either the Tories or Labour should work with the SNP far less court their support but it is quite another thing to suggest, as Shapps does, that it is somehow illegitimate for the SNP to exercise its influence as it sees fit.


..So the SNP will be tempted to send Mr Shapps a case of pink champagne this morning. There’s no need for them to campaign when the Tories will do all the heavy lifting for them.

...Now I understand that many folk in England dislike Alex Salmond and, indeed, his party. That’s understandable. They remain – just! – a minority enthusiasm in Scotland too. But that does not mean the Conservative and Unionist party (the latter part originating in Ireland but now, obviously, meaning Scotland too) has to react so stupidly to each and every nationalist provocation...


Things have come to a pretty pass when the Conservatives stoke the SNP fire in Scotland and do their best to cultivate an anti-Scotland backlash south of the border. But this is what they are doing. It is, if you will, an act of unpardonable folly.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/03/the-tory-partys-attitude-towards-scotlandisasstupidasitiscynical/

kabayiri

Shakethedisease wrote: »

No, you're fixated on oil prices to the exclusion of everything else, political and economically. There's only so many times one can answer the exactly the same posts.
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Err, no he isn't.

Generali focusses on macro level economics. Unsurprisingly really, given that this is an economics forum.

When one particular commodity plays such a big part of your export market, then it is important to pay attention to it.

Some would say the UK as a whole is too fixated on global banking, but we would be stupid to ditch the serious revenues it brings in. The oil industry is no different. We need to support it with the resources the UK can bring.