Advice for PCN on paid-for land

chrisg83

Could anyone give some advice? I pay monthly for a carpark space near my office, that is owned by a local company but managed by PCN Northwest.
On returning to my car tonight I found a £100 penalty sticker from PCN for my permit not being displayed. I know for a fact it usually is, but it seems that today it had decided to peel off at some point (it seems that I have the one that's reluctant to stick) and fall under the seat, so wasn't visible.

I was just wondering that as I pay the landowner every month (standing order, can't beat them!) and have my car registered with them, if this notice can be enforced or just ignored (or even better - dismissed by contact with the landowner?)

BenefitMaster

A recent judgment held that a "missing permit" for people who have to have them means that the PPC has suffered no loss.

Someone more knowledgeable (and less busy) than me will be along soon...

Fruitcake

Read the Sticky thread for NEWBIES. This tells you to wait for the NTK. You should then complain to the landowner and appeal to the PPC with a copy of your permit.

Your appeal will probably be rejected. The PPC are IPC members so you need to decide what to do after your first stage appeal if it is rejected. Come back for more advice at that stage.

(acronyms are all explained in the NEWBIES thread.)

Do not pay, do not ignore, do not reveal who was driving. This assumes the event was in England/Wales and wasn't a hire/lease car.

chrisg83

Would it be worth speaking to the landlady? I've spoken to her a few times in the past regarding rending the space in the first place and also about the permits and shes been a great help.
She is the one that issues the permits/stickers and I pay her directly; the only thing the PCN does is have a uniformed body walk around the carpark once a day. I know for a fact that they even have both my vehicles on the list of allowed vehicles for the carpark, so I'm guessing that someone didnt do their homework befoore getting eager with the ticket printer.

Umkomaas

Yes, definitely, especially if your car is whitelisted. You can get on with this now, but you will also need to appeal to the PPC - after you receive the NtK.

If she is responsible for issuing the permits, where does she fit in with the contracting of the PPC?

chrisg83

Afaik, she just contracts the PPC to monitor the carpark and ticket people who park there without a permit.
The window-permits themselves are labelled as being from TheParkingTicketCompany, but when I needed them I always contacted the landowner and received them from her - no contact with the PPC at all.

Umkomaas

If she is the contractor and has whitelisted your car with the PPC, then she is the one who can get this cancelled - as well as firing a rocket up the PPC's backside.

She shouldn't be putting up with lazy/dozy/terminally stupid parking chimps indiscriminately slapping tickets on windscreens without checking for whitelisted vehicles - whether or not he's in a 'uniform'!