Carers allowance & job seekers allowance mentioned in manifesto....

FBaby

while you get envious of the 'over generous disability benefits' do you also envy the severe disabilities that people need to have to qualify for them?

Those discussions often end up with this which has nothing to do with the right and wrong of benefits. All those who challenge CA have issues with how easy it is to get it without having to show any evidence of doing what is required to qualify. In any case, those who get CA are not the ones who are disabled so don't see the point.

devizes18193

tea-bag wrote: »

Not a bad little top up on top of already generous disability benefits.

Its still cheaper for the state then getting some one in .

Have any of you who are slagging this any understanding of the checks you have go through to get high rate dla or in deed pip .

System

nannytone wrote: »

the extra £35 is the carers premium which is added after carers allowance has been deducted from other benefits ... so they only benefit by £35 and not £61.

while you get envious of the 'over generous disability benefits' do you also envy the severe disabilities that people need to have to qualify for them?

Ah the good old envy card that gets pulled when there is any discussion about benefits for the disabled.

I see we have also had the 'If you had what I have' lines.

These threads are so predictable.

nannytone_2

FBaby wrote: »

Those discussions often end up with this which has nothing to do with the right and wrong of benefits. All those who challenge CA have issues with how easy it is to get it without having to show any evidence of doing what is required to qualify. In any case, those who get CA are not the ones who are disabled so don't see the point.

i agree that carers allowance is ridiculously easy to get... it is just a rubber stamping exercise but ....

comments made by posters such as teabag, who obviously resent any disabled person receiving anything at all make every civilised persons blood boil ( or it should!)
as a society, we look after our vulnerable, yet too many would prefer that we revert back to the days of the workhouse , when those unable to support themselves were locked away, having no quality of life and a minimal level of care

Horseunderwater

Here, Here - Nannytone! Makes my blood boil too.:T

GlasweJen

Well FBaby if you want an important health worker directly responsible for making life and death choices to be sleep deprived then that's fine but I certainly couldn't live with that.

We do use a nurse agency (has to be a nurse apparently a home carer can't look after me with those machines) for when my mum is on holiday or just a night out/break and they charge a bomb - my other half needs the job he has to afford my illness, or at least to afford to "do it right" and not have me dumped in a day centre with a manual wheelchair that I can't use or eating foods that are unsuitable. In addition to mum we have to hire a nurse for certain days out and when we went abroad on holiday we had to hire a nurse in America to assist me at night - that cost more than our holiday and spending money.


The problem with carers allowance is family carers slip into the role. My mum started looking after the monitor when I was about 17, been needing the special diet since 20, pacemaker at 21 took the load off for a while. Back on monitor at 22, transplant at 25 - immune system went crazy, then MG hit but no one knew what it was. I've been on bi-pap for 2 years with initial suspected sleep apnea (started on c-pap but my lungs couldn't handle that). GI problems started some time in between. Meanwhile I went from perfectly mobile to completely wheelchair dependant, back to normal, part time wheelchair and everything in between round and round in a circle. My sister then my mum just picked things up when they were needed.

If you were to phone my mum right now and ask her what she does to earn her carers allowance she would think of the new stuff like doing my hair and driving me to work because the rest has turned into normal for us.

tea-bag

nannytone wrote: »

i agree that carers allowance is ridiculously easy to get... it is just a rubber stamping exercise but ....

comments made by posters such as teabag, who obviously resent any disabled person receiving anything at all make every civilised persons blood boil ( or it should!)
as a society, we look after our vulnerable, yet too many would prefer that we revert back to the days of the workhouse , when those unable to support themselves were locked away, having no quality of life and a minimal level of care

I never resent money being spent on the truly deserving, however the are way too many who are very creative with forms or the truth and have jumped on the disability gravy train. There is a reason the government is now targeting the disabled because the amount now claiming is at epidemic levels and we cannot afford to keep paying out anymore!

racon

tea-bag wrote: »

I never resent money being spent on the truly deserving, however the are way too many who are very creative with forms or the truth and have jumped on the disability gravy train. There is a reason the government is now targeting the disabled because the amount now claiming is at epidemic levels and we cannot afford to keep paying out anymore!

Hey, you don't have to be creative to claim Carers Allowance. You just find someone that has either the Middle or Higher rate of care DLA and bob's your uncle. I don't think that the government are targeting the disabled for that reason at all. It was quite clear that PIP was brought in simply to reduce the amount of money currently paid out by DLA by 20%. They decided on a monetary figure then worked backwards to see how they could achieve those savings. They tweaked PIP to such an extent that they made it possible to get rid of the genuinely disabled by changing and narrowing the goal posts. It had nothing to do with helping the more disabled or reducing the level of fraud. There are those that can still get through a PIP application that are no way as disabled as they say they are. Creative thinking and form filling will see the most determined get through. I know of a DLA claimant that has both Higher mobility and care, and to keep up pretence of his 'so called' disability, continues to put in his repeat prescription every month but doesn't take them or need them. It is all about appearances on his medical file. He asked me how he could get rid of a huge pile of unused medicines stored in his shed!

FBaby

nannytone wrote: »

i agree that carers allowance is ridiculously easy to get... it is just a rubber stamping exercise but ....

comments made by posters such as teabag, who obviously resent any disabled person receiving anything at all make every civilised persons blood boil ( or it should!)
as a society, we look after our vulnerable, yet too many would prefer that we revert back to the days of the workhouse , when those unable to support themselves were locked away, having no quality of life and a minimal level of care

I would totally agree with that. I think what frustrates me is that I know people who genuinely do need care in time of their lives and don't get it because they don't tick the box. I have seen many people being discharged from hospital and really struggling because they are medically fit and don't need a hospital bed and not in such care of need that they meet social services criteria for care. Yet they are in pain, exhausted, limited, and really could do with a few weeks of proper care. On the other hand, you have the mothers who automatically claim CA for their children just because they have been awarded DLA, providing hardly more care than they do for their other children and just using that money for hlolidays, so like many, I would really like to see CA much more closely monitored.

Another problem is you can easily stretched the definition of care, as I believe there isn't really one for the purpose of CA. Is being 'on call' as it's been mentioned actually providing care, especially if that involves having to actually provide care say once a month?

Jen, I can now see that your mum provides much care, I didn't reading your first post but I have to say that I don't agree with what you say about your partner in that I don't agree that his level of responsibility should be in any way related to someone else claiming CA but it is irrelevant anyway in your situation as your mum clearly provides more care then just being on stand by at night.

nannytone_2

!!!!!! wrote: »

Ah the good old envy card that gets pulled when there is any discussion about benefits for the disabled.

I see we have also had the 'If you had what I have' lines.

These threads are so predictable.

the same easy card as 'all disabled people get vast amounts of benefit' that is spouted by teabag and many others?
don't you think that is rather predictable too ( as well as untrue in most cases)