Kamikaze Cyclists!

Tilt

brat wrote: »

Good. I can assure you that none of us here are the bad cyclists that you constantly fulminate about.

Now go away and tell your fellow coach drivers to stop being sh*t drivers!

I very much doubt that!

Johno100

Tilt wrote: »

Well I can assure you that I am not one of those "most coach drivers" as you put it. But the pont is the driver isn't the one who is going to kill himself by driving without lights on along Euston Road and undertaking larger vehicles when the driver of said vehicle is very unlikely to see you in his mirrors because you have no lights on.

It doesn't matter to the cycling activist MAWMIL's, they are 'vulnerable road users' and an 'out group' so it's everyone else's responsibility to watch out for them regardless of what foolishness they decide to get up too.

Tilt

Johno100 wrote: »

It doesn't matter to the cycling activist MAWMIL's, they are 'vulnerable road users' and an 'out group' so it's everyone else's responsibility to watch out for them regardless of what foolishness they decide to get up too.

Lol! Your'e probably right. I bet they never win anything on the lottery either! :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

[Deleted User]

Motorists and cyclists are all people. Some people are responsible, some are less so, some people like more risk, some like less. Stirring up a feud between different groups of road users doesn't achieve anything other than increase the risk for everyone. Motorists are better protected against injury than cyclists, so they have generally less incentive to be careful.

If motorists are so renowned for obeying the law, it makes you wonder why they get so irate about speed cameras and traffic wardens.

Tilt

jack_pott wrote: »

Motorists and cyclists are all people. Some people are responsible, some are less so, some people like more risk, some like less. Stirring up a feud between different groups of road users doesn't achieve anything other than increase the risk for everyone. Motorists are better protected against injury than cyclists, so they have generally less incentive to be careful.

If motorists are so renowned for obeying the law, it makes you wonder why they get so irate about speed cameras and traffic wardens.

You post was totally sensible apart from that bit. If you had been with me last night in London, you would of probably thought that it should be the cyclists that should have more incentive to be careful. THEY are the ones who are more exposed to injury.

The majority (yes, I do mean the majority) of cyclists I saw in such a short space of time breaking every law in the book (most exist to protect them) was astonishing considering how vulnerable they are in the given traffic conditions. :eek:

[Deleted User]

Tilt wrote: »

You post was totally sensible apart from that bit. If you had been with me last night in London, you would of probably thought that it should be the cyclists that should have more incentive to be careful. THEY are the ones who are more exposed to injury.

The majority (yes, I do mean the majority) of cyclists I saw in such a short space of time breaking every law in the book (most exist to protect them) was astonishing considering how vulnerable they are in the given traffic conditions. :eek:

You didn't read my previous post very carefully:

jack_pott wrote: »

some people like more risk, some like less.

Any rational decision involves weighing the benefits against the cost, if you count the cost only there's no justification for doing anything, if you count only the benefit you can justify doing absolutely anything. You could label Catherine Destivelle stupid if you discount the fact that she enjoys what she's doing. If you ignore the fact that people enjoy kissing, it's just a stupid way to spread germs.

Why are you only interested in comparing good motorists with bad cyclists and not bad motorists with good cyclists?

Tilt

Not really making any comparisons at all. Simply making an observation that a lot of people I witnessed yesterday evening seemed to be quite content in putting themselves into a potentially life threatening situation by A) riding a bicycle along a extremely busy street in central London without any lights. weaving in and out of the stop-starting traffic (a lot of it made up of buses etc) and riding through red lights at very busy road junctions.

I find it hard to compare this reckless behaviour with any other road user to be honest. Yes, there are indeed bad motorists BUT unless someone is being chased by the police, I doubt that as many motorists drive in the same way as the cyclists I saw last night. And I am sorry to say that they out numbered the "responsible" cyclists that I saw by some margin.

Maybe the police should be actively tackling the problem by enforcing the law with these idiots instead of attending the collisions that sometimes occur and scraping the cyclist off the road.

hugheskevi

I do love these threads with all the concern for the poor little cyclists who are inevitably going to kill themselves.

So good to see folk care so much about them.

Just a shame the threads can't be a bit more like Christmas and only come round once a year rather than every month or so

[Deleted User]

Tilt wrote: »

Not really making any comparisons at all.

What you're doing is inviting people to label cyclists as idiots, thereby fuelling the feud, and increasing the risk they're exposed to. Risk taking cyclists are endangering few other than themselves, risk taking motorists endanger most other road users. The only cyclists you see at all are the ones that are not sufficiently risk averse to be frightened way from the roads altogether. I once rode through central London on a coach that was treating every red light as a give way sign, but I don't tar all coach drivers with the same brush.

If anyone wants to see why motorists get so exercised about cyclists, all they need to do is look at the other things that wind motorists up: other motorists, traffic jams, speed cameras, pedestrians, yellow lines, etc. In fact anything that gets between them and what they feel entitled to. What makes the torment even worse is watching how cyclists can often pass freely through the congestion that's holding up the motorists.

It has little or nothing to do with any concern for cyclists safety.

fred246

In the UK every year on the road
1850 People are killed
23000 Seriously injured
5000 people die of pollution from vehicles.
What proportion of these are caused by cyclists?