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Deposit and redecorating/cleaning
Eejay
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We've just handed the keys back to the flat that we've been renting for the last 10 months or so. We had cats - agreed with the landlord - and they had caused some damage to the wallpaper which we informed them about and said we would replace/repair. The new tenant has cats too and said she'd be happy to have the walls painted in white or cream as she was worried her cats would cause the same damage. We also didn't clean it very well but we said we would get a cleaner in to sort it out because we just didn't have the time or energy to do it ourselves (we have a four month old baby and we've spent all our time trying to juggle her and moving!).
Decorating
Hallway - the paper was badly damaged so we stripped the walls. Unfortunately the plaster was in very poor condition so we had to paper. My FIL papered the walls quite badly (I wasn't very happy about it!) with slightly textured wallpaper, but we never got around to painting it. The joins are very visible and quite messy in places, but a coat of paint would probably have disguised them. The previous wallpaper had been painted numerous times and was probably about 15 to 20 years old.
Living room - the paper around the windows was badly damaged, so we took off two and a bit strips (the 'bit' was near the window so wasn't a full length/width piece) and replaced them with the same wallpaper. It didn't line up perfectly - it matched in some places but not quite in others - and I think this might be because I bought the paper at a later date (it must have only been decorated before we moved in). It needed painting to match the rest of the walls but we didn't get chance to do this either as I only papered it last night.
Bedroom 1 - had slightly damaged, very old anaglypta so I painted over it to try and make it look a bit better. I painted three walls as the original colour was a pale dusky pink colour so I left that as a 'feature' wall to match the ceiling. It probably took more effort to do it that way - I wasn't being lazy - but I thought a white room with a pink ceiling looked even more stupid.
Bedroom 2 - painted so no damage!
Bedroom 3 - the walls were all somewhat damaged (very old wallpaper again) so we stripped them down and the wall was reasonable quality so we painted it. I couldn't get enough layers on though unfortunately so it needs a final coat.
Bathroom/Kitchen - both fine.
The LA told me that the LL was going to get a professional decorator in. I offered to paint the necessary walls today or tomorrow to save some money but apparently that wasn't good enough and the LL wanted a professional. I'm not bad at DIY and the bits I've done are acceptable (the paper I put up wasn't cut into several pieces for a start!), so I feel like he would have just preferred a professional in from the beginning - in which case why not save me time and effort and just agree to get a professional in from the start? Now I feel like I've wasted several days for absolutely nothing, and we were expecting to get the majority of our deposit back and it looks like we'll be getting hardly any of it at this rate.
Cleaning
As I said, the place was not very clean - it wasn't completely filthy but it could do with a little clean everywhere if that makes sense. We'd tried to vacuum but it just wasn't picking up, and we just ran out of time for most of the rest of it. Any particularly dirty bits (marks etc) we wiped up. The LA recommended a cleaner they use and the cleaner reckoned it could be done in 4 hours from my description, but after looking at it they thought it'd be more like 6 hours. Not sure what they are doing to it - apart from built in wardrobes, a couple of drawers and two bedside cabinets, the place is empty so I reckon even I could do it in 6 hours and I'm pretty slow... Anyway, we pointed out that we had agreed it wasn't very clean now but that it hadn't been thoroughly cleaned when we moved in - there were tins of beans and veg stock cubes in the cupboard that were several years out of date, and I had to clean the drawers and cupboards before we could use them. The LA said she 'had photos of crumbs' - but no photos from when we moved in because they didn't do an inventory!
Pets
The LA expects us to pay £100-ish to have the carpets professionally cleaned, 'as agreed in the pet clause'. We were told verbally that they would need cleaning in case the next tenant was allergic to cats - but she has cats! After reading the agreement, it says, "Upon vacating the premises at the end of the tenancy, the tenant shall ensure that all soft furnishings are steam cleaned and responsibility for irradicating all infestations resulting from keeping the pet(s) at the premises." My husband works for the housing department of the council and has spoken to his boss today who said carpets don't count as soft furnishings. My main issue with this is that the carpets are old and thin with no underlay - I suspect it'd not be much more expensive to replace the carpets entirely!
Miscellaneous
My husband was changing the lightbulbs (we put in energy saving ones but since they were £6 a bulb for the 8 in the living room, we took them with us) and the glass of one light cracked as he turned it. He didn't drop it or do anything 'bad' to it - I think it's just a poor quality light. They are still available for £20 at Homebase so we agreed to pay for this, but is it fair to pay for the whole thing when only a small bit of it is broken? I wouldn't be surprised if the LA tried to charge us for the fitting of the new one lol... (it just needs the glass bit swapping).
Also, we put up a curtain at the door as there was no privacy at all, and we've offered to leave this, and I changed the door handle when the bathroom one stopped working (the spindle had rounded off so it was very difficult to open the door) - both things will be useful to the next tenant - so we've tried our best to be helpful but now we're getting charged for all sorts (some of which are fair, some I reckon are petty).
Inventory
As I mentioned, they didn't do an inventory at the start. The man tried to tell me earlier that the "woman bought it and redecorated it all so we were the first to live in it." I'm not sure that was really relevant as the 'redecorating' was mostly just painting over everything - some laminate was put in but the bedroom carpets were not replaced. It's not as though it was all brand new and we've destroyed it. Besides, the LL is a man.
The LL is quite reasonable and I suspect he will be willing to split the costs to some extent (we'll find out how fairly midweek) but the thing I object to most at the moment is the carpet cleaning. I don't think they're going to give us an option on this one, but would it be justified to dispute this?
My husband is claiming the deposit back now to get everything shifting anyway. The LA said he wouldn't get any money back yet if there was a dispute, but he's discovered that only the disputed figure will be withheld. Not sure why she is telling fibs!
Oh, and I realise there are probably some people thinking that we sound like nightmare tenants, but if things had been discussed prior to today it would have been much better - if we'd had a professional decorator in for example, we could have used the time spent trying to sort it cleaning instead and saved having to pay for that. I hope we don't ever have to faff on with renting again.
Decorating
Hallway - the paper was badly damaged so we stripped the walls. Unfortunately the plaster was in very poor condition so we had to paper. My FIL papered the walls quite badly (I wasn't very happy about it!) with slightly textured wallpaper, but we never got around to painting it. The joins are very visible and quite messy in places, but a coat of paint would probably have disguised them. The previous wallpaper had been painted numerous times and was probably about 15 to 20 years old.
Living room - the paper around the windows was badly damaged, so we took off two and a bit strips (the 'bit' was near the window so wasn't a full length/width piece) and replaced them with the same wallpaper. It didn't line up perfectly - it matched in some places but not quite in others - and I think this might be because I bought the paper at a later date (it must have only been decorated before we moved in). It needed painting to match the rest of the walls but we didn't get chance to do this either as I only papered it last night.
Bedroom 1 - had slightly damaged, very old anaglypta so I painted over it to try and make it look a bit better. I painted three walls as the original colour was a pale dusky pink colour so I left that as a 'feature' wall to match the ceiling. It probably took more effort to do it that way - I wasn't being lazy - but I thought a white room with a pink ceiling looked even more stupid.
Bedroom 2 - painted so no damage!
Bedroom 3 - the walls were all somewhat damaged (very old wallpaper again) so we stripped them down and the wall was reasonable quality so we painted it. I couldn't get enough layers on though unfortunately so it needs a final coat.
Bathroom/Kitchen - both fine.
The LA told me that the LL was going to get a professional decorator in. I offered to paint the necessary walls today or tomorrow to save some money but apparently that wasn't good enough and the LL wanted a professional. I'm not bad at DIY and the bits I've done are acceptable (the paper I put up wasn't cut into several pieces for a start!), so I feel like he would have just preferred a professional in from the beginning - in which case why not save me time and effort and just agree to get a professional in from the start? Now I feel like I've wasted several days for absolutely nothing, and we were expecting to get the majority of our deposit back and it looks like we'll be getting hardly any of it at this rate.
Cleaning
As I said, the place was not very clean - it wasn't completely filthy but it could do with a little clean everywhere if that makes sense. We'd tried to vacuum but it just wasn't picking up, and we just ran out of time for most of the rest of it. Any particularly dirty bits (marks etc) we wiped up. The LA recommended a cleaner they use and the cleaner reckoned it could be done in 4 hours from my description, but after looking at it they thought it'd be more like 6 hours. Not sure what they are doing to it - apart from built in wardrobes, a couple of drawers and two bedside cabinets, the place is empty so I reckon even I could do it in 6 hours and I'm pretty slow... Anyway, we pointed out that we had agreed it wasn't very clean now but that it hadn't been thoroughly cleaned when we moved in - there were tins of beans and veg stock cubes in the cupboard that were several years out of date, and I had to clean the drawers and cupboards before we could use them. The LA said she 'had photos of crumbs' - but no photos from when we moved in because they didn't do an inventory!
Pets
The LA expects us to pay £100-ish to have the carpets professionally cleaned, 'as agreed in the pet clause'. We were told verbally that they would need cleaning in case the next tenant was allergic to cats - but she has cats! After reading the agreement, it says, "Upon vacating the premises at the end of the tenancy, the tenant shall ensure that all soft furnishings are steam cleaned and responsibility for irradicating all infestations resulting from keeping the pet(s) at the premises." My husband works for the housing department of the council and has spoken to his boss today who said carpets don't count as soft furnishings. My main issue with this is that the carpets are old and thin with no underlay - I suspect it'd not be much more expensive to replace the carpets entirely!
Miscellaneous
My husband was changing the lightbulbs (we put in energy saving ones but since they were £6 a bulb for the 8 in the living room, we took them with us) and the glass of one light cracked as he turned it. He didn't drop it or do anything 'bad' to it - I think it's just a poor quality light. They are still available for £20 at Homebase so we agreed to pay for this, but is it fair to pay for the whole thing when only a small bit of it is broken? I wouldn't be surprised if the LA tried to charge us for the fitting of the new one lol... (it just needs the glass bit swapping).
Also, we put up a curtain at the door as there was no privacy at all, and we've offered to leave this, and I changed the door handle when the bathroom one stopped working (the spindle had rounded off so it was very difficult to open the door) - both things will be useful to the next tenant - so we've tried our best to be helpful but now we're getting charged for all sorts (some of which are fair, some I reckon are petty).
Inventory
As I mentioned, they didn't do an inventory at the start. The man tried to tell me earlier that the "woman bought it and redecorated it all so we were the first to live in it." I'm not sure that was really relevant as the 'redecorating' was mostly just painting over everything - some laminate was put in but the bedroom carpets were not replaced. It's not as though it was all brand new and we've destroyed it. Besides, the LL is a man.
The LL is quite reasonable and I suspect he will be willing to split the costs to some extent (we'll find out how fairly midweek) but the thing I object to most at the moment is the carpet cleaning. I don't think they're going to give us an option on this one, but would it be justified to dispute this?
My husband is claiming the deposit back now to get everything shifting anyway. The LA said he wouldn't get any money back yet if there was a dispute, but he's discovered that only the disputed figure will be withheld. Not sure why she is telling fibs!
Oh, and I realise there are probably some people thinking that we sound like nightmare tenants, but if things had been discussed prior to today it would have been much better - if we'd had a professional decorator in for example, we could have used the time spent trying to sort it cleaning instead and saved having to pay for that. I hope we don't ever have to faff on with renting again.
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Did you have permission from agent or landlord to do any redecoration at all?? If so how (eg email, letter??)0
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No inventory - LLs problem. You should get the whole thing back ( unless LL can prove by other means that the condition is worse ).
LAs rarely know what really goes on.
That said your excuses aren't great. Yes you have a 4 month old ( congrats ), but it's not like the day snuck up on you, either you knew in advance you were moving by giving notice, or LL have u notice ( so u had 2 months).
I won't go into the details, as I say, lack of inventory will likely mean you get your deposit back. The reality should be that all those things are paid for. - you would not owe 100% of the value, but a percentage.
Google betterment.
Goidluck0 -
Having had two four months old babies (one of whom just never slept and had a ten minute attention span so couldn't be left for any longer).., and moved/decorated the week I had one of them I can certainly agree with others. Not a lot of acceptable excuses for leaving a place in the state you have described.
Just hope your LL doesn't have pre move in photo's.
What part of the country do you live in.., I want to make sure I don't live close to one of your cast off properties lol? Oh and PS.., door handle breaks, it costs less than a fiver to replace it. Probably a pound to replace a spindle. Hardly the repair of a king. If the hoover won't picky up.., check the filters.., there's usually another one you haven't found that needs clearing. Its not Einstein work, and if you'd had the determination of a centipede or were even slightly bothered.., I'm sure you'd have found a way. I've used a dustpan and brush if I've needed to. If you'd have used half the determination you've used to find excuses not to do what a half way reasonable tenant would do.., you would have been able to do it all.
If that makes you sting.., it should. If it doesn't, yes you are a nightmare tenant. Its not acceptable, regardless of what LL or new tenant says. It shouldn't be acceptable to you!0 -
It's not just the baby, is it? Sounds like you've been pretty focused on your new house. From September:
I can't wait to get on with decorating in the next few weeks, although I don't suppose I'll have much time - Jasmine was born on 2nd August and it's often an effort to find time for lunch now, let alone painting! I've had a few people offer to keep her entertained between feeds though so I'll get to do a little at least. And I can always pick the colours
Quite why you think what you described is acceptable is beyond me. Your landlord was foolish in not doing a detailed inventory as they will now be significantly out of pocket thanks to your sloppiness. I'd be watching over my shoulder for karma....... Trying to be a man is a waste of a woman0 -
I have an email from the LA saying:
"I have spoken to your landlord about the decorating and he is happy for you to do whatever you wish to do in the property.
He said cats do love wallpaper and said he wants you to make it your home"
The LL seems lovely and that's why I don't want to claim the entire lot back - I'm hoping that the compromise is reasonable when it comes to redecorating. I'd be prepared to contribute about £75 as an absolute maximum since we already paid for wallpaper for the living room - we bought three rolls and I only used one the other day - and we stripped the walls in the bedroom and hallway, and bought wallpaper for there too, although it'll be a nightmare to get off if it's not salvageable (it's bad but I have seen worse). I have got a bit of paint on the cupboard too and it's not easy to get off because of the grain in the wood - that's the bit I feel worst about to be honest. It's only a millimetre or so down the edge but it's almost the full length of the cupboard. The "professional" they used last time was bad though - the tiles in the bathroom had paint right around the top of them which is easy enough to get off - but why is a "professional" so messy? I was only a little messy because it was the middle of the night.
It was us that chose to leave on that date and we actually ended the tenancy early and only had to pay for re-advertising it. We're just not very organised and have spent a lot of time trying to get the house ready to live in (there is only one room finished so we didn't do a good job of that either lol). We don't have much family around here so whilst they have helped out a bit, we've spent a lot of time passing the baby back and forth to keep her entertained and only one of us has actually been able to get anything done.
ETA: I don't think leaving it half-finished is acceptable but it's not a complete mess - I am happy to pay a cleaner to finish what we didn't but it was not done to a professional standard before we moved in so I don't see why we should have to pay a fortune to have it done thoroughly. The hallway is not my fault and I never thought it was good enough, it's frustrating that it has to be redone but I knew at the time that he was making a mess of it. The rest of the rooms just need a final coat on them, which I could have done if I hadn't run out of time. Check-out was today, but we've paid up until tomorrow. The new tenant is moving in on Wednesday so they aren't hanging about.
Also, the door handle wasn't a major thing, but my point is we weren't calling them out for every little thing. The only thing they came out for was to replace the shower when it stopped working. It would have helped if check-out wasn't on a Monday as we couldn't organise a cleaner over the weekend.0 -
I have an email from the LA saying:
"I have spoken to your landlord about the decorating and he is happy for you to do whatever you wish to do in the property.
He said cats do love wallpaper and said he wants you to make it your home"
The LL seems lovely and that's why I don't want to claim the entire lot back - I'm hoping that the compromise is reasonable when it comes to redecorating. I'd be prepared to contribute about £75 as an absolute maximum since we already paid for wallpaper for the living room - we bought three rolls and I only used one the other day - and we stripped the walls in the bedroom and hallway, and bought wallpaper for there too, although it'll be a nightmare to get off if it's not salvageable (it's bad but I have seen worse). I have got a bit of paint on the cupboard too and it's not easy to get off because of the grain in the wood - that's the bit I feel worst about to be honest. It's only a millimetre or so down the edge but it's almost the full length of the cupboard. The "professional" they used last time was bad though - the tiles in the bathroom had paint right around the top of them which is easy enough to get off - but why is a "professional" so messy? I was only a little messy because it was the middle of the night.
It was us that chose to leave on that date and we actually ended the tenancy early and only had to pay for re-advertising it. We're just not very organised and have spent a lot of time trying to get the house ready to live in (there is only one room finished so we didn't do a good job of that either lol). We don't have much family around here so whilst they have helped out a bit, we've spent a lot of time passing the baby back and forth to keep her entertained and only one of us has actually been able to get anything done.
ETA: I don't think leaving it half-finished is acceptable but it's not a complete mess - I am happy to pay a cleaner to finish what we didn't but it was not done to a professional standard before we moved in so I don't see why we should have to pay a fortune to have it done thoroughly. The hallway is not my fault and I never thought it was good enough, it's frustrating that it has to be redone but I knew at the time that he was making a mess of it. The rest of the rooms just need a final coat on them, which I could have done if I hadn't run out of time. Check-out was today, but we've paid up until tomorrow. The new tenant is moving in on Wednesday so they aren't hanging about.
Also, the door handle wasn't a major thing, but my point is we weren't calling them out for every little thing. The only thing they came out for was to replace the shower when it stopped working. It would have helped if check-out wasn't on a Monday as we couldn't organise a cleaner over the weekend.
None of it is your landlird's fault though. How is the state of the hall "not your fault"? It was your FIL that bodged up the wallpaper!!
£75 might cover the cleaning - just. It's a bloody insult to suggest it covers everything though.Trying to be a man is a waste of a woman0 -
We've just handed the keys back to the flat that we've been renting for the last 10 months or so. We had cats - agreed with the landlord - and they had caused some damage to the wallpaper which we informed them about and said we would replace/repair. The new tenant has cats too and said she'd be happy to have the walls painted in white or cream as she was worried her cats would cause the same damage. We also didn't clean it very well but we said we would get a cleaner in to sort it out because we just didn't have the time or energy to do it ourselves (we have a four month old baby and we've spent all our time trying to juggle her and moving!).
Decorating
Hallway - the paper was badly damaged so we stripped the walls. Unfortunately the plaster was in very poor condition so we had to paper. My FIL papered the walls quite badly (I wasn't very happy about it!) with slightly textured wallpaper, but we never got around to painting it. The joins are very visible and quite messy in places, but a coat of paint would probably have disguised them. The previous wallpaper had been painted numerous times and was probably about 15 to 20 years old.
Living room - the paper around the windows was badly damaged, so we took off two and a bit strips (the 'bit' was near the window so wasn't a full length/width piece) and replaced them with the same wallpaper. It didn't line up perfectly - it matched in some places but not quite in others - and I think this might be because I bought the paper at a later date (it must have only been decorated before we moved in). It needed painting to match the rest of the walls but we didn't get chance to do this either as I only papered it last night.
Bedroom 1 - had slightly damaged, very old anaglypta so I painted over it to try and make it look a bit better. I painted three walls as the original colour was a pale dusky pink colour so I left that as a 'feature' wall to match the ceiling. It probably took more effort to do it that way - I wasn't being lazy - but I thought a white room with a pink ceiling looked even more stupid.
Bedroom 2 - painted so no damage!
Bedroom 3 - the walls were all somewhat damaged (very old wallpaper again) so we stripped them down and the wall was reasonable quality so we painted it. I couldn't get enough layers on though unfortunately so it needs a final coat.
Bathroom/Kitchen - both fine.
The LA told me that the LL was going to get a professional decorator in. I offered to paint the necessary walls today or tomorrow to save some money but apparently that wasn't good enough and the LL wanted a professional. I'm not bad at DIY and the bits I've done are acceptable (the paper I put up wasn't cut into several pieces for a start!), so I feel like he would have just preferred a professional in from the beginning - in which case why not save me time and effort and just agree to get a professional in from the start? Now I feel like I've wasted several days for absolutely nothing, and we were expecting to get the majority of our deposit back and it looks like we'll be getting hardly any of it at this rate.
Cleaning
As I said, the place was not very clean - it wasn't completely filthy but it could do with a little clean everywhere if that makes sense. We'd tried to vacuum but it just wasn't picking up, and we just ran out of time for most of the rest of it. Any particularly dirty bits (marks etc) we wiped up. The LA recommended a cleaner they use and the cleaner reckoned it could be done in 4 hours from my description, but after looking at it they thought it'd be more like 6 hours. Not sure what they are doing to it - apart from built in wardrobes, a couple of drawers and two bedside cabinets, the place is empty so I reckon even I could do it in 6 hours and I'm pretty slow... Anyway, we pointed out that we had agreed it wasn't very clean now but that it hadn't been thoroughly cleaned when we moved in - there were tins of beans and veg stock cubes in the cupboard that were several years out of date, and I had to clean the drawers and cupboards before we could use them. The LA said she 'had photos of crumbs' - but no photos from when we moved in because they didn't do an inventory!
Pets
The LA expects us to pay £100-ish to have the carpets professionally cleaned, 'as agreed in the pet clause'. We were told verbally that they would need cleaning in case the next tenant was allergic to cats - but she has cats! After reading the agreement, it says, "Upon vacating the premises at the end of the tenancy, the tenant shall ensure that all soft furnishings are steam cleaned and responsibility for irradicating all infestations resulting from keeping the pet(s) at the premises." My husband works for the housing department of the council and has spoken to his boss today who said carpets don't count as soft furnishings. My main issue with this is that the carpets are old and thin with no underlay - I suspect it'd not be much more expensive to replace the carpets entirely!
Miscellaneous
My husband was changing the lightbulbs (we put in energy saving ones but since they were £6 a bulb for the 8 in the living room, we took them with us) and the glass of one light cracked as he turned it. He didn't drop it or do anything 'bad' to it - I think it's just a poor quality light. They are still available for £20 at Homebase so we agreed to pay for this, but is it fair to pay for the whole thing when only a small bit of it is broken? I wouldn't be surprised if the LA tried to charge us for the fitting of the new one lol... (it just needs the glass bit swapping).
Also, we put up a curtain at the door as there was no privacy at all, and we've offered to leave this, and I changed the door handle when the bathroom one stopped working (the spindle had rounded off so it was very difficult to open the door) - both things will be useful to the next tenant - so we've tried our best to be helpful but now we're getting charged for all sorts (some of which are fair, some I reckon are petty).
Inventory
As I mentioned, they didn't do an inventory at the start. The man tried to tell me earlier that the "woman bought it and redecorated it all so we were the first to live in it." I'm not sure that was really relevant as the 'redecorating' was mostly just painting over everything - some laminate was put in but the bedroom carpets were not replaced. It's not as though it was all brand new and we've destroyed it. Besides, the LL is a man.
The LL is quite reasonable and I suspect he will be willing to split the costs to some extent (we'll find out how fairly midweek) but the thing I object to most at the moment is the carpet cleaning. I don't think they're going to give us an option on this one, but would it be justified to dispute this?
My husband is claiming the deposit back now to get everything shifting anyway. The LA said he wouldn't get any money back yet if there was a dispute, but he's discovered that only the disputed figure will be withheld. Not sure why she is telling fibs!
Oh, and I realise there are probably some people thinking that we sound like nightmare tenants, but if things had been discussed prior to today it would have been much better - if we'd had a professional decorator in for example, we could have used the time spent trying to sort it cleaning instead and saved having to pay for that. I hope we don't ever have to faff on with renting again.
Quoted for posterity.Trying to be a man is a waste of a woman0 -
notanewuser wrote: »None of it is your landlird's fault though. How is the state of the hall "not your fault"? It was your FIL that bodged up the wallpaper!!
£75 might cover the cleaning - just. It's a bloody insult to suggest it covers everything though.
Er... because I'm not my FIL? I painted the little bedroom - my fault it's not finished, I papered the living room - my fault it's not painted, I painted the big bedroom - and I reckon that one is fine. I never said my LL was responsible for anything but the wallpaper was extremely old so I don't want to be spending a fortune on a 'professional' when we've done half the work already. Either that, or if we'd discussed getting a 'professional' in sooner we could have saved several days of faffing on trying to sort the mess out. As it is we've wasted time and money.0 -
Er... because I'm not my FIL? I painted the little bedroom - my fault it's not finished, I papered the living room - my fault it's not painted, I painted the big bedroom - and I reckon that one is fine. I never said my LL was responsible for anything but the wallpaper was extremely old so I don't want to be spending a fortune on a 'professional' when we've done half the work already. Either that, or if we'd discussed getting a 'professional' in sooner we could have saved several days of faffing on trying to sort the mess out. As it is we've wasted time and money.
It is YOUR fault, you asked your FIL to help, YOU are responsible for what he did.
Yes you have wasted time and money, and again this is YOUR fault. Take some responsibility.
Why should your LL be out if pocket?
£75?!
Let's hope your ll comes on here for advice...0 -
Er... because I'm not my FIL? I painted the little bedroom - my fault it's not finished, I papered the living room - my fault it's not painted, I painted the big bedroom - and I reckon that one is fine. I never said my LL was responsible for anything but the wallpaper was extremely old so I don't want to be spending a fortune on a 'professional' when we've done half the work already. Either that, or if we'd discussed getting a 'professional' in sooner we could have saved several days of faffing on trying to sort the mess out. As it is we've wasted time and money.
And left an extremely shoddy job!
Did your LL ask your FIL to decorate?Trying to be a man is a waste of a woman0
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