I lent out my railcard and got fined. Who should pay?

duchy

sarahlondon24 wrote: »

Not getting into the whole fraudulent thing, I think everyone has lent a friend their travel card from time to time...You did your friend a favour, your friend didn't hold up their side by returning your card...yeah you should have checked but they should have returned it.

If your friend was any kind of friend they would offer to pay the fine as they benefitted, didn't hold up their end of the agreement and the result was a fine.

Really ?
You honestly believe "everyone" does this ?
Sorry but they don't (and yes I commuted to and around London working in large offices for years so we are apparently talking about the same "everyone" as your location is listed as London)

Most people who work in finance, law -or indeed any other job where a criminal record for fraud would impact on their career would not be daft enough to do this.

A "friend" who asks you to commit a criminal offence to save them a few quid is hardly the sort of friend who'd be rushing to pay your fine anyway though.

Pincher

I get parking ticket, etc. You think it takes one hour, and it takes two. So what? you pay the fine, life goes on.


If you don't get into the habit of looking ahead and check, you are just going to end up in Luton without your passport, and then it will cost even more.


I lent somebody a screwdriver, and he used it as a chisel!
Never lend anything you value, it's a dead loss.

timbo58

Fare cop has it spot on (as do the majority of others on this thread).

Please ignore the 1 post wonders who claim those who have advised you correctly are 'holier than thou', I am afraid that is bull$hit.

You aren't entitled to lend a railcard/pass/ticket etc out, whether you did that for free or for payment makes no difference.

You are actually lucky the loan of the pass wasn't detected or you'd have lost it for good (and no refund) and possibly ended up taking a day off work to attend the magistrates court whilst you were at it.

The person you lent the pass to is an idiot, morally they owe you whatever it cost you to pay in the absence of what you lent them.
Legally they owe you !!!!!! all as it wasn't yours to lend in the 1st place.

All tickets/passes remain the property of whoever issued them.
If you don't like the terms & conditions you have a choice -don't travel or campaign to change them before you do.

pb8770

You signed to say you agreed to the terms and conditions and as you loaned it out you were aiding and abetting. Did you get it confiscated because you should have

arcon5

Both pay half

James_B.

duchy wrote: »

Most people who work in finance, law -or indeed any other job where a criminal record for fraud would impact on their career would not be daft enough to do this

I strongly suspect that if someone here in the bank were prosecuted for fraudulent use of a railcard they'd not only lose their job, but would struggle to ever find another one.

Any crime which suggests intent to defraud is viewed as serious enough for dismissal. Many years ago, when I first got a job in banking, it was exactly this crime fare-dodging) that was used as an example of behaviour outside the office that would be gross misconduct and immediate dismissal.

WickedWolfie

jencat wrote: »

In all honesty, the amount I pay per year for my travelcard now is so obscenely high that I don't feel particularly bad lending it to someone to save them money when I'm not using it. I see it as minor revenge for all the crappy travel delays, lack of seats and the fact the train company seem to delight on letting non-folding bikes take up all the standing space during rush hour (despite this being against their T&Cs).

You are perfectly entitled to do that. Of course, should your friend be caught you can be prosecuted for fraud (try looking at some of the legistaltion around rail tickets ome time.....)....

WickedWolfie

dstanden wrote: »

My son was on board a train. He used his season ticket to get through the electronic barrier and when approached by an inspector, discovered that the ticket and photo pass was not in his pocket and had probably fallen out on the platform or somewhere in the carriage.


Though he told the inspector that he had a season ticket, he could not produce it and so the inspector fined him and made him buy a day ticket. A few minutes passed and a helpful passenger spotted the missing railcard on the floor and identified my son by the picture within, returning the season ticket to him.


My son returned to the inspector, showed the valid season ticket and photo pass. The inspector checked the validity and took back the paperwork related to the fine, but did not refund the cost of the day ticket.


My son was told that he was free to go and assumed that was the end of it.


A month later, I received the £40 fine plus a bonus 'non-payment' fine on top because, as his parent, I am responsible for his unpaid fines.


Complaining that the fine was unjust and had been revoked on production of a valid ticket, did not wash. The inspector had a signed piece of paperwork accepting the fine.


The rail company said that I should have appealed within 14-days and I'd agree if the inspector had not taken back all of the paperwork.


Now I have to pay £60.:mad:

At face value what you say is appalling. I would suggest you get in touch with a more specialised forum which can offer deeper advice on such cases (I am unable to post a link but try the phrases "UK", "forum" and "rail" in Google.....).

trukdiver

James_B. wrote: »

I strongly suspect that if someone here in the bank were prosecuted for fraudulent use of a railcard they'd not only lose their job, but would struggle to ever find another one.

Any crime which suggests intent to defraud is viewed as serious enough for dismissal. Many years ago, when I first got a job in banking, it was exactly this crime fare-dodging) that was used as an example of behaviour outside the office that would be gross misconduct and immediate dismissal.

An ex colleague of mine lost his job because of a dispute with his neighbour! He moved something belonging to his neighbour because it was in the way (according to him) but the police were called. He accepted a police caution which he thought was just "a slap on the wrist" but it gave him a criminal record. He got a new job but didn't declare the caution. The new employer checked the CRB and it lead to him losing his new job a few weeks after starting it. So don't dismiss fare dodging as trivial!

geerex

dave4129 wrote: »

Hi guys I have worked on the railway for 20 years and hear every day about trouble with tickets and passes, we have just brought out a free to use information web site on where and how to get the cheapest rail tickets.. please give it a try and hopefully if you like it pass it on to others.. also on FB and Twitter. Thanks guys
we are not aloud to put the full site name in because we are new, So here it is with out the w's thetrainguard.com

I'd rather not take advice from a forum spammer who can't tell tell the difference between "aloud" and "allowed". Thanks anyway.