Changing Employer over Tax Year Dates - Who gives me my P60?

richee1

Can someone please help with this query. My mother hasnt received a P60 and we are being sent around the houses by HMRC and two different employer payrolls and she needs it to prove her income for last year.

My mother left her previous job on the 1/4/14 (last working day) and started her new job after the 5/4/14 in the new tax year.

Because she worked on 1/4/14 she was paid for those shifts on the 9/4/14. She received a P45 from her previous employer dated 9/4/14 outlining her earnings for 2014/15 (a very miniscule amount) with them which she gave to her new employer.

I would assume that she would get a P60 from her previous employer as thats who her last job was with in the last tax year and they paid income to her into this tax year. She has contacted them for a P60 for 2013/4 but they have informed her because she stopped being an employee 4 days before the end of the tax year on 5/4/14 (however paid her after the 5th) they cannot help her and do not issue a P60.

Her new employer has (correctly) informed her she didnt work for them in 2013/14 so it wouldnt be them.

HMRC have been basically useless and advised 'its the employers responsibility' but have not told her what employer it is.

Can someone help at all? I dont understand how her old employer can issue a P45 in one tax year and then inform her they arent responsible for a P60 in the previous tax year?

Thanks

agrinnall

Who does she need to prove her income to? Why can't she use the P45 from employer 1, which would show her income for 2013/4?

In fact, I think employer 2 should be issuing the P60. Contrary to what you believe, the tax year runs from 6th April to the next 5th April, so as she started work for employer 2 on 5/4/14 technically she was employed by them in tax year 2013/4. The P45 from employer 1 that she gave to employer 2 would have enabled them to complete the In previous employment boxes on the P60, although obviously all of the This employment boxes would be zero.

Pennywise

I suspect that the old employer issued a P45 on 1/4/14 the leaving date showing 13/14 wages. Then, when they realised that there another day to pay for, they'd issue another P45 for that extra day - that's the usual procedure when there's an extra pay amount after the official leaving date.

The original employer must have issued either a P45 or a P60 for pay paid for the 13/14 tax year. The second P45 for that 1 day work is really a red herring.

You need to ask the original employer whether they issued P45 or P60 and then look to see what you did with it. If you can't find it, they can give you a statement of pay and tax - or you can use the week 52/3 payslip which they should have given you for the final working week of 13/14.

richee1

Pennywise wrote: »

I suspect that the old employer issued a P45 on 1/4/14 the leaving date showing 13/14 wages. Then, when they realised that there another day to pay for, they'd issue another P45 for that extra day - that's the usual procedure when there's an extra pay amount after the official leaving date.

The original employer must have issued either a P45 or a P60 for pay paid for the 13/14 tax year. The second P45 for that 1 day work is really a red herring.

You need to ask the original employer whether they issued P45 or P60 and then look to see what you did with it. If you can't find it, they can give you a statement of pay and tax - or you can use the week 52/3 payslip which they should have given you for the final working week of 13/14.

Thanks - they have just written back saying as you left before 5/4/14 we have not issued you with a P60. They didnt say anything about two different P45's or sent a P45 for 2013/14. We can chase them up for this.

Thanks, it's being requested for a tax credits query and she is being asked to provide evidence of earnings for the tax year.

richee1

It's the one pay slip she can't find!!

chrisbur

agrinnall wrote: »

Who does she need to prove her income to? Why can't she use the P45 from employer 1, which would show her income for 2013/4?

In fact, I think employer 2 should be issuing the P60. Contrary to what you believe, the tax year runs from 6th April to the next 5th April, so as she started work for employer 2 on 5/4/14 technically she was employed by them in tax year 2013/4. The P45 from employer 1 that she gave to employer 2 would have enabled them to complete the In previous employment boxes on the P60, although obviously all of the This employment boxes would be zero.

The P45 issued by employer 1 was for 2014/15 not for 2013/14 thr OP advised "She received a P45 from her previous employer dated 9/4/14 outlining her earnings for 2014/15 (a very miniscule amount)" So if they did issue a P60 (which they should not anyway) it would have zero for this employment and be blank for previous employment.

chrisbur

Pennywise wrote: »

I suspect that the old employer issued a P45 on 1/4/14 the leaving date showing 13/14 wages. Then, when they realised that there another day to pay for, they'd issue another P45 for that extra day - that's the usual procedure when there's an extra pay amount after the official leaving date.

The original employer must have issued either a P45 or a P60 for pay paid for the 13/14 tax year. The second P45 for that 1 day work is really a red herring.

You need to ask the original employer whether they issued P45 or P60 and then look to see what you did with it. If you can't find it, they can give you a statement of pay and tax - or you can use the week 52/3 payslip which they should have given you for the final working week of 13/14.

NO this is not "the usual procedure" Employers are under instructions from HMRC to never issue a second P45 under any circumstances. If a payment is made after a P45 is issued there is a special procedure for doing this which does not involve another P45.

chrisbur

Every year there are employees who have no employer on 5th April and so have no P60 so this will not be the first time this has happened and the people who want the details will be able to advise what other details are acceptable. As last payslip is lost possibly a letter from old employer giving taxable pay and tax paid details for 2013/14 and a letter from new employer confirming no wages paid until 2014/15.

agrinnall

blondebubbles wrote: »

The OP stated the new employment started after 05/04/14 so it wouldn't be their responsibility.

Thanks, despite reading the OP several times it must have got into my brain that employment started ON 5/4/14 rather than after.